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We can dance around the idea of ethics or we can actually look at historical actions taken by both. Putting the Chinese & US government interventionism on the s

We can dance around the idea of ethics or we can actually look at historical actions taken by both. Putting the Chinese & US government interventionism on the same plain for objective ethics judgements is a joke (regardless of whos cultural ethical standards you use).

lamarpye 8y ago
Serious question, are you just hand waving the Cultural Revolution away or have you never heard of it? Maybe it's like a C and a program stack, they just don't teach it in college anymore, because it's not important and you don't need to know about it.
- hnmonkey 8y ago
  All of his/her comments in this post are seemingly only there to stir up people. There's no evidence behind the things they're saying other than a hand-waving attempt at minimizing China's bad faith actions by saying others do similar things. When arguing that someone who is 10/10 bad is equal to someone that is 4/10 bad you have to really reach to equate the two and not see the nuance.
  - IllogicalLogic 8y ago
    There is no evidence? Too funny, I was hoping the work required was just reminding this (expected educated) audience of history, rather than teaching a full course myself. There is a reason the statue of Lin Zexu is in Chatham Square, NYC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lin_Zexu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lin_Zexu
    - hnmonkey 8y ago
      Your posts in this thread have continually grown more and more incivil and arrogant in defense of Chinese spying. Stating that you thought this audience HN was smart but now you realize you have to teach this audience on HN is incredibly condescending. What do you get out of taking this stance towards this audience?
      - IllogicalLogic 8y ago
        When you don't like the message, you start attacking the messenger for providing evidence? It's almost like you don't want to learn after asking for a lesson. Stop evading, it's very clear what you're attempting to do.
- IllogicalLogic 8y ago
  Interesting to bring up the cultural revolution, what's even more interesting is what caused that almost immune-system like response. Mainly, the invasion and drugging of a large % of the Chinese for a century by western powers. True, understanding the launching point of the last 2 centuries of interactions is quite important.
  - hnmonkey 8y ago
    When did 'western powers' invade China and drug a large percentage of their population between 1918 and 2018? What was the percentage of their population? What were the drugs? What was the purpose? Who did it? How did something that you say supposedly happened 100 ago effect a country 200 years ago? This is an extraordinary claim that should require extraordinary evidence. You've shown no evidence of the statements you've made in this thread so far so I hope you'll change that up and provide us with some here. I'd be very interested in seeing some for this.
    - IllogicalLogic 8y ago
      My invocation of "last 2 centuries" only included the last 2 full centuries (thanks for attempting to assess my statements in an honest/unbiased way /s). Once you consider, what I really said as I intended. The leg work is very easy to do. Protip: Don't skip leg day. Here is a light squat exercise to get you started: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_%26_Company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_%26_Company https://youtu.be/D0AJ59vqzzg https://youtu.be/D0AJ59vqzzg
      - hnmonkey 8y ago
        Your condescension only seems to grow and you continue to get more incivil while crying out that you're getting attacked (elsewhere in this thread saying I'm attacking the messenger). I think I'll call it quits in trying to have a civil conversation with you since you only seem interested in spewing unsubstantiated pro-Chinese statements and attacking everyone in this thread that doesn't agree with you.

lamarpye 8y ago

Serious question, are you just hand waving the Cultural Revolution away or have you never heard of it? Maybe it's like a C and a program stack, they just don't teach it in college anymore, because it's not important and you don't need to know about it.

hnmonkey 8y ago
All of his/her comments in this post are seemingly only there to stir up people. There's no evidence behind the things they're saying other than a hand-waving attempt at minimizing China's bad faith actions by saying others do similar things. When arguing that someone who is 10/10 bad is equal to someone that is 4/10 bad you have to really reach to equate the two and not see the nuance.
- IllogicalLogic 8y ago
  There is no evidence? Too funny, I was hoping the work required was just reminding this (expected educated) audience of history, rather than teaching a full course myself. There is a reason the statue of Lin Zexu is in Chatham Square, NYC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lin_Zexu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lin_Zexu
  - hnmonkey 8y ago
    Your posts in this thread have continually grown more and more incivil and arrogant in defense of Chinese spying. Stating that you thought this audience HN was smart but now you realize you have to teach this audience on HN is incredibly condescending. What do you get out of taking this stance towards this audience?
    - IllogicalLogic 8y ago
      When you don't like the message, you start attacking the messenger for providing evidence? It's almost like you don't want to learn after asking for a lesson. Stop evading, it's very clear what you're attempting to do.
IllogicalLogic 8y ago
Interesting to bring up the cultural revolution, what's even more interesting is what caused that almost immune-system like response. Mainly, the invasion and drugging of a large % of the Chinese for a century by western powers. True, understanding the launching point of the last 2 centuries of interactions is quite important.
- hnmonkey 8y ago
  When did 'western powers' invade China and drug a large percentage of their population between 1918 and 2018? What was the percentage of their population? What were the drugs? What was the purpose? Who did it? How did something that you say supposedly happened 100 ago effect a country 200 years ago? This is an extraordinary claim that should require extraordinary evidence. You've shown no evidence of the statements you've made in this thread so far so I hope you'll change that up and provide us with some here. I'd be very interested in seeing some for this.
  - IllogicalLogic 8y ago
    My invocation of "last 2 centuries" only included the last 2 full centuries (thanks for attempting to assess my statements in an honest/unbiased way /s). Once you consider, what I really said as I intended. The leg work is very easy to do. Protip: Don't skip leg day. Here is a light squat exercise to get you started: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_%26_Company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_%26_Company https://youtu.be/D0AJ59vqzzg https://youtu.be/D0AJ59vqzzg
    - hnmonkey 8y ago
      Your condescension only seems to grow and you continue to get more incivil while crying out that you're getting attacked (elsewhere in this thread saying I'm attacking the messenger). I think I'll call it quits in trying to have a civil conversation with you since you only seem interested in spewing unsubstantiated pro-Chinese statements and attacking everyone in this thread that doesn't agree with you.