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So we have Twitter taking down accounts at the behest of a political party?

by jayess 8y ago

prolikewh0a 8y ago
A political party that isn't exactly a bastion of integrity or honesty either. (I'm not saying either side is better)
BugsJustFindMe 8y ago
> Twitter said Friday that it had deleted thousands of automated accounts... Key word: automated.
- prolikewh0a 8y ago
  Those were requested be removed by the DCCC themselves, not Twitter. The OP's point stands.
  - chasing 8y ago
    Sounds like the DCCC pointed out to Twitter that these accounts were violating Twitter’s terms of service and Twitter agreed. Twitter made the decision to remove the accounts.
    - prolikewh0a 8y ago
      What terms of service would they be violating? There are automated bots all over Twitter. Telling people to not vote is not hateful, it's not obscene, there's nothing wrong with it. It's full on censorship of ideas.
- deleted 8y ago
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httpsterio 8y ago
Voting is and should be in every citizens interest, no matter which party you support. Telling people not to vote is almost the same as saying that don't trust democracy.
- prolikewh0a 8y ago
  That's not for you, a company, or political entity to decide though. You have the right to also not vote, and express your political opinion as to why you're not voting, and why others may not want to either.
  - chasing 8y ago
    By allowing their platform to be used for a propagandistic disinformation campaign Twitter would be allowing someone else to do exactly that. Some organization wanted to create the illusion of a broad Democratic movement to not vote as a way to persuade other Democrats to not vote. Twitter affirmed that they do not want their platform used in that way. If you want to blab on Twitter about your awesome plan to not vote, I doubt you’ll have any issues from Twitter itself. Some of your followers might think you’re a little dopey, but that’s entirely their right.
  - true_religion 8y ago
    Sure, but you do not have the right to do that through thousands of automated twitter accounts.
  - ddingus 8y ago
    Yes
- malvosenior 8y ago
  "Telling people not to vote is almost the same as saying that don't trust democracy." What's wrong with saying that? Do you think someone's account should be banned for saying they don't trust democracy?
  - prolikewh0a 8y ago
    There's nothing wrong with it.
- ddingus 8y ago
  And if they actually don't? I have a big problem with this whole voting discussion right now, and that problem is fear, blame and shame being used to get people to vote. What about asking them to vote? How about there being something positive, compelling to vote for? The whole frame is odd. Votes are expected, but not required, yet we tell people they have to vote whether or not they find their vote meaningful. No confidence, opposed to policy visions on the table is a completely valid position to take. For others, who may be impacted in a negative way to blame people already being impacted in a negative way for refusing to approve or consent, validate more of the same happening is pretty fucked up. Why are we not having a discussion about why people are not voting in large numbers and what would bring them out to vote for? Vote against is dominant right now. While that does tend to give us a way to move away from the worst, it does not give us a way to move toward better, just less worse. Do not get me wrong, I have a full ticket vote lined up. But, I am doing OK too. I have a clear vote againat argument to work with. An awful lot of Americans do not. That simply is not clear to them, or it simply is not true. I will point to the ever growing number of us in economic trouble as to why. Seems to me leadership is not performing for way too many. Debate that all you want. I may even agree with you. It isnt about us. It is all about those people who have had enough, who do not experience the motivation to vote. Slapping them with fear, blame and shame hardly seems productive. I know how I respond to those things, and it is not pretty. How about you guys? There are people out there trying to advance vote for, more positive politics. I think they are onto something personally.
_greim_ 8y ago
If the accounts actually violate their terms, sure.
- prolikewh0a 8y ago
  Still waiting on what terms they would have broke. It's not hate speech, it's not illegal, it's not disturbing.
  - mcphage 8y ago
    I’m pretty sure broadcasting propaganda from a bot army is against their ToS.
    - ddingus 8y ago
      Lol, really? All propaganda, or just some specific kinds?

So we have Twitter taking down accounts at the behest of a political party?

by jayess 8y ago

So we have Twitter taking down accounts at the behest of a political party?

prolikewh0a 8y ago

A political party that isn't exactly a bastion of integrity or honesty either. (I'm not saying either side is better)

BugsJustFindMe 8y ago

> Twitter said Friday that it had deleted thousands of automated accounts... Key word: automated.

prolikewh0a 8y ago
Those were requested be removed by the DCCC themselves, not Twitter. The OP's point stands.
- chasing 8y ago
  Sounds like the DCCC pointed out to Twitter that these accounts were violating Twitter’s terms of service and Twitter agreed. Twitter made the decision to remove the accounts.
  - prolikewh0a 8y ago
    What terms of service would they be violating? There are automated bots all over Twitter. Telling people to not vote is not hateful, it's not obscene, there's nothing wrong with it. It's full on censorship of ideas.
deleted 8y ago
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httpsterio 8y ago

Voting is and should be in every citizens interest, no matter which party you support. Telling people not to vote is almost the same as saying that don't trust democracy.

prolikewh0a 8y ago
That's not for you, a company, or political entity to decide though. You have the right to also not vote, and express your political opinion as to why you're not voting, and why others may not want to either.
- chasing 8y ago
  By allowing their platform to be used for a propagandistic disinformation campaign Twitter would be allowing someone else to do exactly that. Some organization wanted to create the illusion of a broad Democratic movement to not vote as a way to persuade other Democrats to not vote. Twitter affirmed that they do not want their platform used in that way. If you want to blab on Twitter about your awesome plan to not vote, I doubt you’ll have any issues from Twitter itself. Some of your followers might think you’re a little dopey, but that’s entirely their right.
- true_religion 8y ago
  Sure, but you do not have the right to do that through thousands of automated twitter accounts.
- ddingus 8y ago
  Yes
malvosenior 8y ago
"Telling people not to vote is almost the same as saying that don't trust democracy." What's wrong with saying that? Do you think someone's account should be banned for saying they don't trust democracy?
- prolikewh0a 8y ago
  There's nothing wrong with it.
ddingus 8y ago
And if they actually don't? I have a big problem with this whole voting discussion right now, and that problem is fear, blame and shame being used to get people to vote. What about asking them to vote? How about there being something positive, compelling to vote for? The whole frame is odd. Votes are expected, but not required, yet we tell people they have to vote whether or not they find their vote meaningful. No confidence, opposed to policy visions on the table is a completely valid position to take. For others, who may be impacted in a negative way to blame people already being impacted in a negative way for refusing to approve or consent, validate more of the same happening is pretty fucked up. Why are we not having a discussion about why people are not voting in large numbers and what would bring them out to vote for? Vote against is dominant right now. While that does tend to give us a way to move away from the worst, it does not give us a way to move toward better, just less worse. Do not get me wrong, I have a full ticket vote lined up. But, I am doing OK too. I have a clear vote againat argument to work with. An awful lot of Americans do not. That simply is not clear to them, or it simply is not true. I will point to the ever growing number of us in economic trouble as to why. Seems to me leadership is not performing for way too many. Debate that all you want. I may even agree with you. It isnt about us. It is all about those people who have had enough, who do not experience the motivation to vote. Slapping them with fear, blame and shame hardly seems productive. I know how I respond to those things, and it is not pretty. How about you guys? There are people out there trying to advance vote for, more positive politics. I think they are onto something personally.

_greim_ 8y ago

If the accounts actually violate their terms, sure.

prolikewh0a 8y ago
Still waiting on what terms they would have broke. It's not hate speech, it's not illegal, it's not disturbing.
- mcphage 8y ago
  I’m pretty sure broadcasting propaganda from a bot army is against their ToS.
  - ddingus 8y ago
    Lol, really? All propaganda, or just some specific kinds?