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Well, given the market size of that ISP, I am sure Elsevier has noticed and are running scared already ... Sadly the only people being hurt by this sort of pro

by janoc 8y ago

Well, given the market size of that ISP, I am sure Elsevier has noticed and are running scared already ... Sadly the only people being hurt by this sort of protest are researchers that happen to use the same network (i.e. Bahnhof's own customers) and now are unable to access neither the legit website nor the pirate one. And no, as a researcher you rarely have a choice to not publish in Elsevier ran journals and conferences when your university/department is evaluated (and funding assigned) based on number of publications in these venues. This is often imposed by the government, the uni and even less the individual researchers have pretty much zero say in it. I have worked at a uni in Denmark where the government literally had lists of "approved" journals and conferences. If you have published there, you have got a score weighed by the importance of the publication. If you have published elsewhere, you got nothing and were effectively working for free because the university funding was directly tied to those scores. For some fields this was pretty much a death sentence because the "approved" publications were either stuff where most people never manage to get a paper in (like Nature) or most of their usual conferences/journals were not on the list (a lot of humanities and arts where otherwise producing an artwork or composing a piece of music counts as a publication).

buboard 8y ago
> neither the legit website nor the pirate one. Most articles are indexed elsewhere, and besides Elsevier's websites are mostly just a paywall. They are not missing much > where the government literally had lists of "approved" journals and conferences. Scientists can certainly lobby as a group to change that. I have not seen much of that, except from rhetoric, sadly. Sci-hub currently makes the most fierce case for open access.
askmike 8y ago
The "Elsevier block" is just a PR stunt, there is a button on the bottom of the page that directs to the (unblocked) Elsevier website.
- AnthonyMouse 8y ago
  > The "Elsevier block" is just a PR stunt, there is a button on the bottom of the page that directs to the (unblocked) Elsevier website. Better would have been to provide instructions on how to evade the Elsevier block using general purpose anti-censorship tools.
  - qilo 8y ago
    On that same "blocked" page there's also this: Would you like some tips about avoiding DNS blocking? Take a look at our practical guide about VPN and DNS blocking here! Which links to this (in swedish): https://www.bahnhof.se/press/press-releases/2018/11/01/bara-patent-och-marknadsdomstolen-verkar-tro-att-blockering-av-sidor-fungerar https://www.bahnhof.se/press/press-releases/2018/11/01/bara-... Google DNS and its IP addresses are mentioned, so they are probably enforcing just DNS blocking.

by janoc 8y ago

buboard 8y ago

> neither the legit website nor the pirate one. Most articles are indexed elsewhere, and besides Elsevier's websites are mostly just a paywall. They are not missing much > where the government literally had lists of "approved" journals and conferences. Scientists can certainly lobby as a group to change that. I have not seen much of that, except from rhetoric, sadly. Sci-hub currently makes the most fierce case for open access.

askmike 8y ago

The "Elsevier block" is just a PR stunt, there is a button on the bottom of the page that directs to the (unblocked) Elsevier website.

AnthonyMouse 8y ago
> The "Elsevier block" is just a PR stunt, there is a button on the bottom of the page that directs to the (unblocked) Elsevier website. Better would have been to provide instructions on how to evade the Elsevier block using general purpose anti-censorship tools.
- qilo 8y ago
  On that same "blocked" page there's also this: Would you like some tips about avoiding DNS blocking? Take a look at our practical guide about VPN and DNS blocking here! Which links to this (in swedish): https://www.bahnhof.se/press/press-releases/2018/11/01/bara-patent-och-marknadsdomstolen-verkar-tro-att-blockering-av-sidor-fungerar https://www.bahnhof.se/press/press-releases/2018/11/01/bara-... Google DNS and its IP addresses are mentioned, so they are probably enforcing just DNS blocking.