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No argument, and it wasn't meant to sound simple -- just depends on how deeply you are aligned with the goals of the platform. I agree from painful experience

No argument, and it wasn't meant to sound simple -- just depends on how deeply you are aligned with the goals of the platform. I agree from painful experience that platforms can be capricious and even disingenuous. But that's also part of how they adapt to a changing world and business. Still boils down to: nobody said it would be easy (to get others' attention).

logifail 8y ago
"We're shuttering our API" (which kills your business model) is very concerning if you're the business that's just been torpedoed. "We don't want your sort on our platform because reasons" ought to be concerning at a much wider level (and not just to the sort that apparently aren't wanted on the platform).
- tptacek 8y ago
  People keep saying this "ought to be concerning". What I see are mainstream commercial conveniences refusing to be complicit in spreading bigoted messages that have gotten people killed. Why am I meant to be surprised by that? If I ran a hosting provider I sure as shit wouldn't let that happen either. We can all think of things we would ban if we ran hosting providers. We all know there's a line. Why are we pretending there isn't?
  - logifail 8y ago
    >> spreading bigoted messages "Bigoted messages"? Would that be content that's * against the law and/or * against the upstream AUP/TOS and/or * "someone said something that offended someone else" >> that have gotten people killed Not wishing to pour more gasoline on the raging fire, but ... source?
    - tptacek 8y ago
      I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're asking.
Torwald 8y ago
> …just depends on how deeply you are aligned with the goals of the platform. Here is the problem though: The platform of platforms, then, is politics, if we want to keep biology out of the picture. And the thing with politics these days is, that the state, as a system, is compulsive. I cannot leave the state, I am not free to do so. In other words, the most underlying platform is not of my choice and therefore it is not as simple as you are making it out to be. I like your thinking framework and agree with it.

logifail 8y ago

"We're shuttering our API" (which kills your business model) is very concerning if you're the business that's just been torpedoed. "We don't want your sort on our platform because reasons" ought to be concerning at a much wider level (and not just to the sort that apparently aren't wanted on the platform).

tptacek 8y ago
People keep saying this "ought to be concerning". What I see are mainstream commercial conveniences refusing to be complicit in spreading bigoted messages that have gotten people killed. Why am I meant to be surprised by that? If I ran a hosting provider I sure as shit wouldn't let that happen either. We can all think of things we would ban if we ran hosting providers. We all know there's a line. Why are we pretending there isn't?
- logifail 8y ago
  >> spreading bigoted messages "Bigoted messages"? Would that be content that's * against the law and/or * against the upstream AUP/TOS and/or * "someone said something that offended someone else" >> that have gotten people killed Not wishing to pour more gasoline on the raging fire, but ... source?
  - tptacek 8y ago
    I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're asking.

Torwald 8y ago

> …just depends on how deeply you are aligned with the goals of the platform. Here is the problem though: The platform of platforms, then, is politics, if we want to keep biology out of the picture. And the thing with politics these days is, that the state, as a system, is compulsive. I cannot leave the state, I am not free to do so. In other words, the most underlying platform is not of my choice and therefore it is not as simple as you are making it out to be. I like your thinking framework and agree with it.