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>> That my $.25 artisanal dog cupcake business can't get the services it needs at the price I can afford doesn't raise complaints. If you can't get services yo

>> That my $.25 artisanal dog cupcake business can't get the services it needs at the price I can afford doesn't raise complaints. If you can't get services you need at any price isn't that when competition authorities [ought to] start investigating?

tptacek 8y ago
The is no evidence that Gab can't find a price at which to run its service. Again: even Stormfront is still up and running. And Stormfront is just Gab without the pretend rules forbidding threats and harassment.
mcguire 8y ago
So, once again, "Are you willing to compel Stripe by threat of force to keep processing credit cards for nazis?"
- logifail 8y ago
  "Somebody someone else really doesn't like" != Nazi When we start throwing that word around, along with describing groups as "far right" (or indeed "far left") when they've started getting more votes than the [previously] mainstream groupings, we appear have a problem with nomenclature.[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessian_state_election,_2018 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessian_state_election,_2018 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_state_election,_2018 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_state_election,_2018 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_presidential_election,_2017 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_presidential_election,_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_legislative_election,_2017 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_legislative_election,...
  - amanaplanacanal 8y ago
    I assume that you have a proposal that would differentiate between the two? So that they would be forced to serve "somebody someone else really doesn't like", but not be forced to serve Nazis?
- ThrowawayR2 8y ago
  In the 1950s, your question would've been "Are you willing to compel Stripe by threat of force to keep processing credit cards for leftists and commies?" You believe because your political faction has a little leverage currently that it will always remain that way; not so. If you legitimize deplatforming, it is a weapon that will someday be turned against you. Given the unwelcome resurgence of the right worldwide, that day may come sooner than you think.
  - joshuamorton 8y ago
    If memory serves, at least in the US this was the opposite. The free market was fine with serving least wing groups. It was the government that stepped in and told individuals to not be leftist, under threat of force. Only then did businesses stop associating with those people, because the government was implicitly threatening them. It was exactly the government's interference that caused the deplatforming of potential leftists during the red scare.
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    - ThrowawayR2 8y ago
      The government isn't an entity with its own independent will; the US public broadly voted in officials that put in place those policies. Leftists who openly identified as such faced all sorts of problems doing business even without government intervention.
      - joshuamorton 8y ago
        Hollywood blacklists, the most famous example from the red scare, only began after HUAC subpoenaed and held people in contempt.
        ThrowawayR2 8y ago
        You're just repeating the same invalid argument. Go and look up the history of widespread small scale anti-lefist incidents in that era that occurred before the HUAC existed.

tptacek 8y ago

The is no evidence that Gab can't find a price at which to run its service. Again: even Stormfront is still up and running. And Stormfront is just Gab without the pretend rules forbidding threats and harassment.

mcguire 8y ago

So, once again, "Are you willing to compel Stripe by threat of force to keep processing credit cards for nazis?"

logifail 8y ago
"Somebody someone else really doesn't like" != Nazi When we start throwing that word around, along with describing groups as "far right" (or indeed "far left") when they've started getting more votes than the [previously] mainstream groupings, we appear have a problem with nomenclature.[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessian_state_election,_2018 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessian_state_election,_2018 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_state_election,_2018 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_state_election,_2018 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_presidential_election,_2017 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_presidential_election,_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_legislative_election,_2017 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_legislative_election,...
- amanaplanacanal 8y ago
  I assume that you have a proposal that would differentiate between the two? So that they would be forced to serve "somebody someone else really doesn't like", but not be forced to serve Nazis?
ThrowawayR2 8y ago
In the 1950s, your question would've been "Are you willing to compel Stripe by threat of force to keep processing credit cards for leftists and commies?" You believe because your political faction has a little leverage currently that it will always remain that way; not so. If you legitimize deplatforming, it is a weapon that will someday be turned against you. Given the unwelcome resurgence of the right worldwide, that day may come sooner than you think.
- joshuamorton 8y ago
  If memory serves, at least in the US this was the opposite. The free market was fine with serving least wing groups. It was the government that stepped in and told individuals to not be leftist, under threat of force. Only then did businesses stop associating with those people, because the government was implicitly threatening them. It was exactly the government's interference that caused the deplatforming of potential leftists during the red scare.
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  - ThrowawayR2 8y ago
    The government isn't an entity with its own independent will; the US public broadly voted in officials that put in place those policies. Leftists who openly identified as such faced all sorts of problems doing business even without government intervention.
    - joshuamorton 8y ago
      Hollywood blacklists, the most famous example from the red scare, only began after HUAC subpoenaed and held people in contempt.
      - ThrowawayR2 8y ago
        You're just repeating the same invalid argument. Go and look up the history of widespread small scale anti-lefist incidents in that era that occurred before the HUAC existed.