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KDE is the 2000s model of window management, reminiscent of Vista with its gaudy transparency and compositing. The modern way is tablet-oriented UIs like Window

by zelly 8y ago

KDE is the 2000s model of window management, reminiscent of Vista with its gaudy transparency and compositing. The modern way is tablet-oriented UIs like Windows 10 Metro UI, which Gnome copied pretty well. Also Gnome is now scriptable with JavaScript. JavaScript for UIs is where the future has been headed for a while.

beojan 8y ago
Tablet oriented UIs only work if you're solely consuming material. They really don't work for producing it. That's why Windows had to bring back the start menu, and many larger applications still don't use Metro.
- PostThisTooFast 8y ago
  NAILED IT. Touchscreen UIs are not for creating. They're for taking what you're given, pecking at giant canned buttons in a dumbed-down UI. A pigeon can peck the colored button to get a food pellet. That's tablet UI.
tomc1985 8y ago
And what's wrong with that? If it works, why mess with it?
Vogtinator 8y ago
Plasma's frontend is entirely written in QML, which is JavaScript.
alxlaz 8y ago
I'm not sure what you mean by that. With its default settings, KDE is as "tablet-oriented" as it gets -- the UI of the shell and application are pretty similar to Windows 10's. Also, the whole thing is very scriptable in JavaScript -- KWin is at the point where, if I had the free time for it, I could make it do things that even FVWM couldn't do easily.
pjmlp 8y ago
And it shows on CPU usage! After Ubuntu dropped Unity I am seriously considering switch back to KDE or a plain old window manager even if I dislike them. Never thought GNOME performance was that bad.
- cpburns2009 8y ago
  I've been using KDE (via Kubuntu) for the past few months now on my work and personal computers. I liked Unity except for its occasional crashing. I would definitely recommend KDE or Xfce because they feel more like GNOME 2 or Windows.
bachmeier 8y ago
> The modern way is tablet-oriented UIs like Windows 10 Metro UI, which Gnome copied pretty well. Gnome 3.0 was released in June 2011.[1] Windows 10 was released in July 2015.[2] Perhaps your assertion is incorrect. [1] https://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/gnome-3-0-the-complete-guide-959427 https://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/gn... [2] https://www.lifewire.com/windows-10-2626217 https://www.lifewire.com/windows-10-2626217
- wodenokoto 8y ago
  Metro ui dates back to Windows 8, though that is still later than 2011, as it was released in 2012.
Piskvorrr 8y ago
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good thing that there are other options - for those of us who are not thrilled about such Metro-esque futures where everything is either a tablet, or ignored. Just as "old=good" is a fallacy, so is "new=good". (Tbh I don't give a damn about transparency or fancy effects, either)

by zelly 8y ago

beojan 8y ago

Tablet oriented UIs only work if you're solely consuming material. They really don't work for producing it. That's why Windows had to bring back the start menu, and many larger applications still don't use Metro.

PostThisTooFast 8y ago
NAILED IT. Touchscreen UIs are not for creating. They're for taking what you're given, pecking at giant canned buttons in a dumbed-down UI. A pigeon can peck the colored button to get a food pellet. That's tablet UI.

tomc1985 8y ago

And what's wrong with that? If it works, why mess with it?

Vogtinator 8y ago

Plasma's frontend is entirely written in QML, which is JavaScript.

alxlaz 8y ago

I'm not sure what you mean by that. With its default settings, KDE is as "tablet-oriented" as it gets -- the UI of the shell and application are pretty similar to Windows 10's. Also, the whole thing is very scriptable in JavaScript -- KWin is at the point where, if I had the free time for it, I could make it do things that even FVWM couldn't do easily.

pjmlp 8y ago

And it shows on CPU usage! After Ubuntu dropped Unity I am seriously considering switch back to KDE or a plain old window manager even if I dislike them. Never thought GNOME performance was that bad.

cpburns2009 8y ago
I've been using KDE (via Kubuntu) for the past few months now on my work and personal computers. I liked Unity except for its occasional crashing. I would definitely recommend KDE or Xfce because they feel more like GNOME 2 or Windows.

bachmeier 8y ago

> The modern way is tablet-oriented UIs like Windows 10 Metro UI, which Gnome copied pretty well. Gnome 3.0 was released in June 2011.[1] Windows 10 was released in July 2015.[2] Perhaps your assertion is incorrect. [1] https://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/gnome-3-0-the-complete-guide-959427 https://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/gn... [2] https://www.lifewire.com/windows-10-2626217 https://www.lifewire.com/windows-10-2626217

wodenokoto 8y ago
Metro ui dates back to Windows 8, though that is still later than 2011, as it was released in 2012.

Piskvorrr 8y ago

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good thing that there are other options - for those of us who are not thrilled about such Metro-esque futures where everything is either a tablet, or ignored. Just as "old=good" is a fallacy, so is "new=good". (Tbh I don't give a damn about transparency or fancy effects, either)