> Historically, a problem with movements of utopian ideals, is that they tend to be disconnected with reality while their adherents keep doubling down. Eventual

> Historically, a problem with movements of utopian ideals, is that they tend to be disconnected with reality while their adherents keep doubling down. Eventually, everyone is accused, and most everyone outside of the most fanatical true believers are frightened someone else will find out what it is they really think. This kind of unions already exists, like for example the Screen Actors Guild‐American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (and actors have way more than 10x difference between them). Bun in your opinion unions - like https://arkiv.sverigesingenjorer.se/About-us/ https://arkiv.sverigesingenjorer.se/About-us/ that work in other countries - will cause disconnection with reality the raise of fanatical believes and utterly chaos. > Examples of this can be found cutting across different root cultures, different continents, and different eras. Many of the examples are concentrated in the 20th century, however. Maybe we mean something different when talking about unions. Can you give me an example so I can see what do you refer to?