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You really don't understand? I also (like you) don't use a DE, and I'm very happy that way, but in order to get to that I had to learn some stuff from scratch.

You really don't understand? I also (like you) don't use a DE, and I'm very happy that way, but in order to get to that I had to learn some stuff from scratch. It seems obvious to me that almost everyone who comes from MacOS and Windows needs a DE, at least at first (and forever if they don't like learning stuff). ETA: Also, I don't know any non-DE setups that have a hope of being usable on shared computers, even though I'm sure there could be one in principle.

squirrelicus 8y ago
I suppose you're right, for shared systems I absolutely get it. For techie workstations though...
- jraph 8y ago
  I get people who prefer not running desktop environments but I just like the convenience of using one. Every need I haven't anticipated is fulfilled. Integration of everything is here out of the box. I can tweak anything I would want to tweak but it turns out the default configuration usually pleases me. And it's fast and never gets in my way. Actually it's faster than no desktop environment: I have to use an USB key? Just plug it in, and it's mounted, I just need to click on the notification at the bottom right of the screen to open the file manager. I have a nice eject button to. No need to set this up myself or to launch mount commands. I can sill use commands if I want to. I would argue that outside of desktop environments, it's fast to do what I don't need to do in a desktop environment. I don't use a tiling window manager because my windows are always full screen anyway (or side by side), but I guess it would be possible to just run a tiling window manager instead of kwin in plasma or xfwm4 on xfce. (Gnome 3 may be different). The session is a bit slow to boot and that could be improved, but that's just a few seconds once in a while. I say all this knowing how to use a GNU/Linux system without a desktop environment perfectly well.
- narwally 8y ago
  I Like having a familiar desktop environment for the cases when family/friends/coworkers need to use my computer. It's not a frequent use case, but it happens enough that it started being an annoyance when I was using a tiling window manager. These days I just use Emacs like a window manager and do all my work inside of it, and can still have an environment that's comfortable for other people when I pair program, or when a family member wants to add some of their shows to my Plex server.

squirrelicus 8y ago

I suppose you're right, for shared systems I absolutely get it. For techie workstations though...

jraph 8y ago
I get people who prefer not running desktop environments but I just like the convenience of using one. Every need I haven't anticipated is fulfilled. Integration of everything is here out of the box. I can tweak anything I would want to tweak but it turns out the default configuration usually pleases me. And it's fast and never gets in my way. Actually it's faster than no desktop environment: I have to use an USB key? Just plug it in, and it's mounted, I just need to click on the notification at the bottom right of the screen to open the file manager. I have a nice eject button to. No need to set this up myself or to launch mount commands. I can sill use commands if I want to. I would argue that outside of desktop environments, it's fast to do what I don't need to do in a desktop environment. I don't use a tiling window manager because my windows are always full screen anyway (or side by side), but I guess it would be possible to just run a tiling window manager instead of kwin in plasma or xfwm4 on xfce. (Gnome 3 may be different). The session is a bit slow to boot and that could be improved, but that's just a few seconds once in a while. I say all this knowing how to use a GNU/Linux system without a desktop environment perfectly well.
narwally 8y ago
I Like having a familiar desktop environment for the cases when family/friends/coworkers need to use my computer. It's not a frequent use case, but it happens enough that it started being an annoyance when I was using a tiling window manager. These days I just use Emacs like a window manager and do all my work inside of it, and can still have an environment that's comfortable for other people when I pair program, or when a family member wants to add some of their shows to my Plex server.