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The last time these companies promised it wouldn't be as addictive as previous opioids, they were pulling numbers out of their ass and straight lying about it.

The last time these companies promised it wouldn't be as addictive as previous opioids, they were pulling numbers out of their ass and straight lying about it. I think we should all be alarmed if they're releasing a new drug that's even more potent.

etrevino 8y ago
It's definitely concerning, but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be released. It's the sort of drug that will find an appropriate use, though pretty much only in edge cases.
- jplayer01 8y ago
  > It's the sort of drug that will find an appropriate use, though pretty much only in edge cases. You're way too trusting. While I do think drugs like this should exist for those who really need it (particularly terminally ill patients), I'm incredibly worried about how these drug companies intend to profit from the drug (by selling these drugs to doctors in a way that encourages their use in circumstances that in no way warrant it). Their profit motive and the incredible expense of developing a new drug directly contradicts the need for restrictive and sparing use of the drug to appropriate contexts.
candiodari 8y ago
Look here's the issue. In people with chronic pain, there's a medical issue. Treating the medical issue ... is very expensive (I believe spinal operations would be pretty common). Giving them opioids ... "treats" the issue. Cheaply, even though yes, these people are from that point on dependent on opioids. They are of course addicted FIRSTLY because they went untreated, and SECONDLY because the medicine is addictive. Eliminating one of those reasons for addition is pointless. You cannot give these people nothing. You can't actually treat them (that's WAY too expensive). So what is your suggestion, exactly ? You can't leave them untreated and in sometimes incredible pain.

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The last time these companies promised it wouldn't be as addictive as previous opioids, they were pulling numbers out of their ass and straight lying about it.

by jplayer01 8y ago

etrevino 8y ago
It's definitely concerning, but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be released. It's the sort of drug that will find an appropriate use, though pretty much only in edge cases.
- jplayer01 8y ago
  > It's the sort of drug that will find an appropriate use, though pretty much only in edge cases. You're way too trusting. While I do think drugs like this should exist for those who really need it (particularly terminally ill patients), I'm incredibly worried about how these drug companies intend to profit from the drug (by selling these drugs to doctors in a way that encourages their use in circumstances that in no way warrant it). Their profit motive and the incredible expense of developing a new drug directly contradicts the need for restrictive and sparing use of the drug to appropriate contexts.
candiodari 8y ago
Look here's the issue. In people with chronic pain, there's a medical issue. Treating the medical issue ... is very expensive (I believe spinal operations would be pretty common). Giving them opioids ... "treats" the issue. Cheaply, even though yes, these people are from that point on dependent on opioids. They are of course addicted FIRSTLY because they went untreated, and SECONDLY because the medicine is addictive. Eliminating one of those reasons for addition is pointless. You cannot give these people nothing. You can't actually treat them (that's WAY too expensive). So what is your suggestion, exactly ? You can't leave them untreated and in sometimes incredible pain.