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Well, Maserati is actually owned by Fiat/Chrysler Group. Plus, like all F/C vehicles, they're pieces of shit. Maserati used to be nice. Now, they're sport cars

Well, Maserati is actually owned by Fiat/Chrysler Group. Plus, like all F/C vehicles, they're pieces of shit. Maserati used to be nice. Now, they're sport cars for people who want a sport car but don't know anything about said cars. Volkswagen is actually, despite their scandals, a remarkably good quality group. They own VW, Audi, Porsche, Lamborghini, and Bugatti.

maxmcd 8y ago
> Porsche SE currently owns 50.73% of the voting rights in Volkswagen AG as the largest (controlling) shareholder.
- JumpCrisscross 8y ago
  > Porsche SE currently owns 50.73% of the voting rights in Volkswagen AG as the largest (controlling) shareholder Porsche AG is a car maker [1]. Porsche SE is a family investment vehicle "owned by the Austrian Porsche and Piëch families" [2]. Porsche SE owns a majority of Volkswagen AG. Volkswagen AG owns Porsche AG. Family name versus car company name. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_SE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_SE
  - bbrian 8y ago
    Ferdinand Porsche designed the Volkswagen Beetle! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Porsche#Volkswagen_Beetle_and_Nazi_membership https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Porsche#Volkswagen_B...
hermitdev 8y ago
I own a 2013 Dodge Charger SRT (an FC brand). At $51k & 470hp out the door, it's the best performing and cheapest muscle car in its class. It can also seat my family of 4 comfortably. In 6 years and 42k miles, I've had zero drive train issues. Only problems I've had are suspension (I drive on pot hole ridden Chicago area roads) and tires worn prematurely due to bent suspension arms. Dont know what your experience is with FC, but that's been mine. Edit: math on years owned.
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- lotsofpulp 8y ago
  42k miles / 6 years is a barely used car. I would expect a post year 2000 car to go 150k, even 200k miles with no drive train problems assuming normal conditions. Also, the stats show Fiat/Chrysler experiencing the most problems: https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/jd-power-2018-us-vehicle-dependability-study https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/jd-power-201... https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2017-vehicle-dependability-study https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2017-vehicle... https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2016-us-vehicle-dependability-study-vds https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2016-us-vehi... https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2015-vehicle-dependability-study https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2015-vehicle... Pretty consistently at the bottom year after year.
- wcarron 8y ago
  Not saying that Dodge doesn't make power. Mopar power is for sure a thing. The Demon and Hellcat in particular are awesome feats of engineering. Now they've come out with a 1000 HPE crate motor, too (the "Hellephant"). But F/C reliability, construction quality, etc. are known issues. As the other comment shows via JD Power rankings, F/C has poor QC. However, as those rankings show, Ford isn't amazing in that area either. But, I'd challenge the "best performing and cheaptest" statement. The 2018/9 Ford Mustang GT peaks at 460 HP and 420 lb-ft of torque, starting at $35k. One could argue the new mustangs are less "muscle" and more "sport" cars, but I'd say it's still muscle. p.s. I'm not affiliated with any automotive company.

maxmcd 8y ago

> Porsche SE currently owns 50.73% of the voting rights in Volkswagen AG as the largest (controlling) shareholder.

JumpCrisscross 8y ago
> Porsche SE currently owns 50.73% of the voting rights in Volkswagen AG as the largest (controlling) shareholder Porsche AG is a car maker [1]. Porsche SE is a family investment vehicle "owned by the Austrian Porsche and Piëch families" [2]. Porsche SE owns a majority of Volkswagen AG. Volkswagen AG owns Porsche AG. Family name versus car company name. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_SE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_SE
- bbrian 8y ago
  Ferdinand Porsche designed the Volkswagen Beetle! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Porsche#Volkswagen_Beetle_and_Nazi_membership https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Porsche#Volkswagen_B...

hermitdev 8y ago

I own a 2013 Dodge Charger SRT (an FC brand). At $51k & 470hp out the door, it's the best performing and cheapest muscle car in its class. It can also seat my family of 4 comfortably. In 6 years and 42k miles, I've had zero drive train issues. Only problems I've had are suspension (I drive on pot hole ridden Chicago area roads) and tires worn prematurely due to bent suspension arms. Dont know what your experience is with FC, but that's been mine. Edit: math on years owned.

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lotsofpulp 8y ago
42k miles / 6 years is a barely used car. I would expect a post year 2000 car to go 150k, even 200k miles with no drive train problems assuming normal conditions. Also, the stats show Fiat/Chrysler experiencing the most problems: https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/jd-power-2018-us-vehicle-dependability-study https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/jd-power-201... https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2017-vehicle-dependability-study https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2017-vehicle... https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2016-us-vehicle-dependability-study-vds https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2016-us-vehi... https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2015-vehicle-dependability-study https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2015-vehicle... Pretty consistently at the bottom year after year.
wcarron 8y ago
Not saying that Dodge doesn't make power. Mopar power is for sure a thing. The Demon and Hellcat in particular are awesome feats of engineering. Now they've come out with a 1000 HPE crate motor, too (the "Hellephant"). But F/C reliability, construction quality, etc. are known issues. As the other comment shows via JD Power rankings, F/C has poor QC. However, as those rankings show, Ford isn't amazing in that area either. But, I'd challenge the "best performing and cheaptest" statement. The 2018/9 Ford Mustang GT peaks at 460 HP and 420 lb-ft of torque, starting at $35k. One could argue the new mustangs are less "muscle" and more "sport" cars, but I'd say it's still muscle. p.s. I'm not affiliated with any automotive company.