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Jeftovic here. I actually wasn't aware of many things you cite above, having cursorily examined, then abandoned Gab I never followed their twitter feed, etc.

Jeftovic here. I actually wasn't aware of many things you cite above, having cursorily examined, then abandoned Gab I never followed their twitter feed, etc. Without having seen any of that myself, I wrote the article extending a certain benefit of the doubt, trying to look at it from a neutral (ostensibly) vendor vantagepoint.

tptacek 8y ago
I'm certainly not blaming you for not being up-to-date on the antics of the Gab team! That's not a reasonable ask of anybody. It's also trickier to bring yourself up-to-date, because Gab deleted a bunch of their worst tweets after the shooting and their subsequent media martyrdom. They don't even have the courage of their own convictions. But there are screenshots of these tweets (all of which depict tweets I saw on Twitter myself), and you can find them on HN in the search bar (or save yourself some time and just take my word for it). And again: I'm not telling you that the fact that Gab itself is openly white supremacist means you have to support their loss of access to FRAND terms for the Internet's most popular providers. I do, but I understand that reasonable people disagree on this.
happilycentrist 8y ago
Don't back down to the outrage mob. Never back down, never say you're sorry. They will consider your apology to be an admission of guilt and come after you twice as hard. Your article had salient points, don't let the social justice lynch mob scare you away from your position.
pvg 8y ago
You've added an update to your article pointing out it was 'flagged' after 'rapidly ascending'. Flagging is done done by users, so both the (brief) rapid ascent and the flagging are results of user action.
- StuntPope 8y ago
  So what's your point?
  - pvg 8y ago
    There's nothing 'ironic' about it, flagging is like downvoting. You aren't being 'deplatformed' by some inscrutable power, users just don't think it's a fit for the site.
    - StuntPope 8y ago
      No, flagging is not like "downvoting", this isn't reddit. As somebody else here already pointed out: > From https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > If a story is spam or off-topic, flag it. This isn't spam and given the interest it's garnered it's obviously not off-topic. So if you're flagging it you're basically throwing your opinion over it and preventing others from seeing it and from upvoting it. That's imposing your opinion over everybody else's. If you don't like the post, then don't upvote it or better still, post an erudite missive on why the author is a brain-dead moron, but don't mis-label it as spam or off-topic.
      - pvg 8y ago
        People commenting on something does not make it 'on topic'. I'm guessing people flagged this because it's the Nth iteration of the same discussion which, by this point, is quite repetitive and tedious. It's a dupe. In any event, I'm not really all that into discussing the details of flagging with you - they're not important although I understand you're annoyed this got flagged. Your 'update' header doesn't really make sense - you want user actions to serve as indication of the quality of your piece - 'rapid rise', lively discussion, whatnot. But user actions you don't like are 'ironic' and deplatforming. Can't have it both ways.
      - tptacek 8y ago
        Can I offer a different complaint? Mine is: you updated your post to reflect that it had been flagged by HN users, but not with material new information you acquired from the thread before that flag had occurred. That feels a little dishonest.
        8y ago

tptacek 8y ago

I'm certainly not blaming you for not being up-to-date on the antics of the Gab team! That's not a reasonable ask of anybody. It's also trickier to bring yourself up-to-date, because Gab deleted a bunch of their worst tweets after the shooting and their subsequent media martyrdom. They don't even have the courage of their own convictions. But there are screenshots of these tweets (all of which depict tweets I saw on Twitter myself), and you can find them on HN in the search bar (or save yourself some time and just take my word for it). And again: I'm not telling you that the fact that Gab itself is openly white supremacist means you have to support their loss of access to FRAND terms for the Internet's most popular providers. I do, but I understand that reasonable people disagree on this.

happilycentrist 8y ago

Don't back down to the outrage mob. Never back down, never say you're sorry. They will consider your apology to be an admission of guilt and come after you twice as hard. Your article had salient points, don't let the social justice lynch mob scare you away from your position.

pvg 8y ago

You've added an update to your article pointing out it was 'flagged' after 'rapidly ascending'. Flagging is done done by users, so both the (brief) rapid ascent and the flagging are results of user action.

StuntPope 8y ago
So what's your point?
- pvg 8y ago
  There's nothing 'ironic' about it, flagging is like downvoting. You aren't being 'deplatformed' by some inscrutable power, users just don't think it's a fit for the site.
  - StuntPope 8y ago
    No, flagging is not like "downvoting", this isn't reddit. As somebody else here already pointed out: > From https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > If a story is spam or off-topic, flag it. This isn't spam and given the interest it's garnered it's obviously not off-topic. So if you're flagging it you're basically throwing your opinion over it and preventing others from seeing it and from upvoting it. That's imposing your opinion over everybody else's. If you don't like the post, then don't upvote it or better still, post an erudite missive on why the author is a brain-dead moron, but don't mis-label it as spam or off-topic.
    - pvg 8y ago
      People commenting on something does not make it 'on topic'. I'm guessing people flagged this because it's the Nth iteration of the same discussion which, by this point, is quite repetitive and tedious. It's a dupe. In any event, I'm not really all that into discussing the details of flagging with you - they're not important although I understand you're annoyed this got flagged. Your 'update' header doesn't really make sense - you want user actions to serve as indication of the quality of your piece - 'rapid rise', lively discussion, whatnot. But user actions you don't like are 'ironic' and deplatforming. Can't have it both ways.
    - tptacek 8y ago
      Can I offer a different complaint? Mine is: you updated your post to reflect that it had been flagged by HN users, but not with material new information you acquired from the thread before that flag had occurred. That feels a little dishonest.
      - 8y ago