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I disagree, when apple released the iphone, they changed the face of what smart phones would ultimately become. The touch experience they pioneered really shoul

I disagree, when apple released the iphone, they changed the face of what smart phones would ultimately become. The touch experience they pioneered really shouldn't be overlooked, and add that on to future technologies like the ipad, where both were deeply immersive devices that people were able to generate new and exiting feelings towards. Since then, apple has migrated from being a brand focused on the shear love of using technology to essentially any other luxury brand (I disagree with the premise that they aren't still inventors in the engineering sense, but they certainly aren't innovating in the way they had prior). The closest thing we have today would be something like Alexa, where people young and old can be deeply immersed with a new, and further humanizing, piece of technology. Apple certainly had a head start with Siri, but they were never able to keep up and clearly misunderstood what people are getting out of digital assistants with their homepod since it's too much of a luxury sound product rather than something more utilitarian.

someone7x 8y ago
> Since Apple has historically focused on executing extant ideas well... > I disagree, when apple released the iphone, they changed the face of what smart phones would ultimately become. It looks like you're actually agreeing: They (Apple) executed on an extant idea (smart phones) so well that they changed the face of the industry (app stores, etc etc).
Jtsummers 8y ago
Many people probably don't recall that the Android interface Google was working on about the same time as the iPhone was released was a Blackberry clone. They adopted Apple's style afterwards. Of course, Apple's interface wasn't totally novel. A fullscreen (no keyboard) touch device already existed (to some degree, Palm Pilots reserved the lower portion of the screen for some input stuffs). The novel aspect was the multi-point touch support, where previous touch screen devices had support for a single touch point at a time, and often relied on a stylus (or fingernail) and were non-responsive to finger presses.
matthewmacleod 8y ago
they changed the face of what smart phones would ultimately become I get that, but they didn’t “invent” the smartphone. They executed an existing concept far better than anybody else had been able to up until then, and the result of that was a complete industry change. It’s great, but they weren’t there when the first smartphones appeared - they came along with a much better implementation of the concept. I think they’ll continue to do this in other markets as they develop.
- dorian-graph 8y ago
  This really sounds like people are splitting at hairs doing gymnastics to give Apple as little credit as possible. What does 'invent' even mean to you, and the others, then? If Apple didn't do what they did, where would we be?
  - JoeAltmaier 8y ago
    Its really easy to find out this stuff by googling it. There were smart phones back in 1993. Apple's came out years later. That hair is half a decade wide?
    - dorian-graph 8y ago
      http://time.com/3137005/first-smartphone-ibm-simon/ http://time.com/3137005/first-smartphone-ibm-simon/ http://thedoghousediaries.com/3345 http://thedoghousediaries.com/3345 ;)
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someone7x 8y ago

> Since Apple has historically focused on executing extant ideas well... > I disagree, when apple released the iphone, they changed the face of what smart phones would ultimately become. It looks like you're actually agreeing: They (Apple) executed on an extant idea (smart phones) so well that they changed the face of the industry (app stores, etc etc).

Jtsummers 8y ago

Many people probably don't recall that the Android interface Google was working on about the same time as the iPhone was released was a Blackberry clone. They adopted Apple's style afterwards. Of course, Apple's interface wasn't totally novel. A fullscreen (no keyboard) touch device already existed (to some degree, Palm Pilots reserved the lower portion of the screen for some input stuffs). The novel aspect was the multi-point touch support, where previous touch screen devices had support for a single touch point at a time, and often relied on a stylus (or fingernail) and were non-responsive to finger presses.

matthewmacleod 8y ago

they changed the face of what smart phones would ultimately become I get that, but they didn’t “invent” the smartphone. They executed an existing concept far better than anybody else had been able to up until then, and the result of that was a complete industry change. It’s great, but they weren’t there when the first smartphones appeared - they came along with a much better implementation of the concept. I think they’ll continue to do this in other markets as they develop.

dorian-graph 8y ago
This really sounds like people are splitting at hairs doing gymnastics to give Apple as little credit as possible. What does 'invent' even mean to you, and the others, then? If Apple didn't do what they did, where would we be?
- JoeAltmaier 8y ago
  Its really easy to find out this stuff by googling it. There were smart phones back in 1993. Apple's came out years later. That hair is half a decade wide?
  - dorian-graph 8y ago
    http://time.com/3137005/first-smartphone-ibm-simon/ http://time.com/3137005/first-smartphone-ibm-simon/ http://thedoghousediaries.com/3345 http://thedoghousediaries.com/3345 ;)
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