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Musk has a lot in common with Trump actually. They both despise the media and have a casual relationship with the truth. They're both self-made billionaires wh

Musk has a lot in common with Trump actually. They both despise the media and have a casual relationship with the truth. They're both self-made billionaires who built their companies on risky debt financing, and they both have narcissistic traits and an apparent "god complex," as well as difficulty accepting criticism.

loceng 8y ago
Musk "despises" people who lie - including media that lie, not the general media. And Trump is far from a self-made billionaire - where are you getting your news? Your comparison is unreasonably loose.
- camjohnson26 8y ago
  Self made is a stretch but he definitely earned billions from risky debt financing. Musk doesn't like media that disagrees with him, just look at what he said in this interview about the WSJ article. Both Musk and Trump are great at playing to what their base wants and have made themselves look like heroes to their supporters.
  - loceng 8y ago
    Self-made is a stretch for whom? Trump, definitely it's a stretch. Elon isn't a stretch to say he's a self-made billionaire. Likewise, risk is relative - it depends on if the people with the money find it too risky to invest or not, so clearly they didn't think it was too risky, nor did Elon for him to be willing to take it. Re: Interview - I didn't watch the interview, what are you referencing that he referenced in the WSJ article? My guess is it wasn't accurate or clear enough in his mind, meaning it was a "half truth" and too open to interpretation. Once again your further attempt to compare Elon and Trump is unreasonably loose. Trump plays his base with lies, Elon isn't playing any game - he's having fun certainly when he does things like throwing shade on the SEC for things relating to what he disagrees with like short sellers, and with things like selling not-a-flamethrowers, however he doesn't blatantly lie constantly - and I'd like you to reference with a reliable source even a single confirmed lie that Elon has said?
    - camjohnson26 8y ago
      "Funding secured." It wasn't. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1026872652290379776 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1026872652290379776 https://www.businessinsider.com/teslas-elon-musk-settles-with-sec-must-step-down-as-chairman-2018-9?utm_source=markets&utm_medium=ingest https://www.businessinsider.com/teslas-elon-musk-settles-wit...
      - loceng 8y ago
        First, nothing was proven - it wasn't proven a lie - them (Elon and company) not admitting to guilt and SEC making allegations isn't the same thing as a proven lie, and that puts a lot of doubt as to whether that could be considered a lie, or if the SEC could even prove it; essentially there would have been some short sellers that were pissed and putting pressure on the SEC, so the SEC responded and then both sides settled quickly - because $40mm is relatively nothing (it's like a $40 parking ticket for most of us) and likely not worth their or their attorneys' time and attention. Question for you. Do you have good credit where you could go to a bank and get a credit card, if you don't already have one? That bank would have access to your credit score, and you probably know based on your credit score what amount of credit you'd be able to secure, right? I could have used a different word than secure, however secure fits for this example. It's reasonable to believe similarly that the people who he had spoken to multiple times (and who we know have the available capital to invest) - who he trusted and whom trusted him - could have said they would provide whatever money necessary to take Tesla private. There's no proof contrary to that - and if there was proof of this then the SEC could have extracted a shitload more money than $40mm for the losses some short sellers would have had. Or we could just reference an article that doesn't have any proof (even though you're referencing it as proof) and pretend it's proof. So, so far you're not shown Elon has lied at all - and it's probably safe to say Trump lies daily about something - or more safely to say 90% of days he lies.
randomsearch 8y ago
Both victims of the twitter manipulation machine.
- loceng 8y ago
  Who are the supposed victims? Elon and Trump?

loceng 8y ago

Musk "despises" people who lie - including media that lie, not the general media. And Trump is far from a self-made billionaire - where are you getting your news? Your comparison is unreasonably loose.

camjohnson26 8y ago
Self made is a stretch but he definitely earned billions from risky debt financing. Musk doesn't like media that disagrees with him, just look at what he said in this interview about the WSJ article. Both Musk and Trump are great at playing to what their base wants and have made themselves look like heroes to their supporters.
- loceng 8y ago
  Self-made is a stretch for whom? Trump, definitely it's a stretch. Elon isn't a stretch to say he's a self-made billionaire. Likewise, risk is relative - it depends on if the people with the money find it too risky to invest or not, so clearly they didn't think it was too risky, nor did Elon for him to be willing to take it. Re: Interview - I didn't watch the interview, what are you referencing that he referenced in the WSJ article? My guess is it wasn't accurate or clear enough in his mind, meaning it was a "half truth" and too open to interpretation. Once again your further attempt to compare Elon and Trump is unreasonably loose. Trump plays his base with lies, Elon isn't playing any game - he's having fun certainly when he does things like throwing shade on the SEC for things relating to what he disagrees with like short sellers, and with things like selling not-a-flamethrowers, however he doesn't blatantly lie constantly - and I'd like you to reference with a reliable source even a single confirmed lie that Elon has said?
  - camjohnson26 8y ago
    "Funding secured." It wasn't. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1026872652290379776 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1026872652290379776 https://www.businessinsider.com/teslas-elon-musk-settles-with-sec-must-step-down-as-chairman-2018-9?utm_source=markets&utm_medium=ingest https://www.businessinsider.com/teslas-elon-musk-settles-wit...
    - loceng 8y ago
      First, nothing was proven - it wasn't proven a lie - them (Elon and company) not admitting to guilt and SEC making allegations isn't the same thing as a proven lie, and that puts a lot of doubt as to whether that could be considered a lie, or if the SEC could even prove it; essentially there would have been some short sellers that were pissed and putting pressure on the SEC, so the SEC responded and then both sides settled quickly - because $40mm is relatively nothing (it's like a $40 parking ticket for most of us) and likely not worth their or their attorneys' time and attention. Question for you. Do you have good credit where you could go to a bank and get a credit card, if you don't already have one? That bank would have access to your credit score, and you probably know based on your credit score what amount of credit you'd be able to secure, right? I could have used a different word than secure, however secure fits for this example. It's reasonable to believe similarly that the people who he had spoken to multiple times (and who we know have the available capital to invest) - who he trusted and whom trusted him - could have said they would provide whatever money necessary to take Tesla private. There's no proof contrary to that - and if there was proof of this then the SEC could have extracted a shitload more money than $40mm for the losses some short sellers would have had. Or we could just reference an article that doesn't have any proof (even though you're referencing it as proof) and pretend it's proof. So, so far you're not shown Elon has lied at all - and it's probably safe to say Trump lies daily about something - or more safely to say 90% of days he lies.

randomsearch 8y ago

Both victims of the twitter manipulation machine.

loceng 8y ago
Who are the supposed victims? Elon and Trump?