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Since Europe does not seem to have too many gender studies students and they have nearly free higher education it does not appear that the evidence supports you

by skh 8y ago

Since Europe does not seem to have too many gender studies students and they have nearly free higher education it does not appear that the evidence supports your position of there being increasing gender studies students as a result of free higher education. It may be possible to avoid an onslaught of such people and still have free higher education! I don't suppose that Google and Uber will hire increased numbers of gender studies students. Fortunately though the societal, cultural benefits of such studies are not limited to the hiring preferences of Google. Furthermore it is fortunate that gender studies (or other degrees you don't support/like/care for/or want to see an increase of) aren't limited to working for Google or coffee shops. I see you have no argument against the claim that California's free higher educational system worked well prior to Reagan. We've had universal free k-12 education for quite some time and we haven't run out of someone else's money yet so I gather you agree with me that extending this system to higher education would not bankrupt us. It may not be the right thing to do but we both agree that running out of someone else's money is not valid argument against it.

moduspol 8y ago
Thanks for the discussion. It's now much clearer why you feel lenders deserve more blame for the student loan crisis in the US.
- skh 8y ago
  In all lending situations both the borrower and lender have responsibilities and one side should not shoulder an undue amount of the ire. This view has nothing to do with my beliefs about higher education.
  - moduspol 8y ago
    They're only irrelevant if it's true that the loan guarantees are only in place because of lobbying from lenders. It's not--but you've stated you think it is, so the distinction is valid if I accept that as true. If it's actually the case that these loan guarantees were put in place by well-intentioned people with the same goals and ideas that you have, then the blame may be better placed elsewhere. And that might prompt some retrospection as we consider larger and wider-ranging initiatives proposed based on the same world views.

by skh 8y ago

moduspol 8y ago

Thanks for the discussion. It's now much clearer why you feel lenders deserve more blame for the student loan crisis in the US.

skh 8y ago
In all lending situations both the borrower and lender have responsibilities and one side should not shoulder an undue amount of the ire. This view has nothing to do with my beliefs about higher education.
- moduspol 8y ago
  They're only irrelevant if it's true that the loan guarantees are only in place because of lobbying from lenders. It's not--but you've stated you think it is, so the distinction is valid if I accept that as true. If it's actually the case that these loan guarantees were put in place by well-intentioned people with the same goals and ideas that you have, then the blame may be better placed elsewhere. And that might prompt some retrospection as we consider larger and wider-ranging initiatives proposed based on the same world views.