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I'm tired of having Elon Musk in my life. I like his initiatives, but Im very tired of him.

by ProAm 8y ago

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loceng 8y ago
Elon's been a counter-balance to the insanity that is Trump, for me at least.
- camjohnson26 8y ago
  Musk has a lot in common with Trump actually. They both despise the media and have a casual relationship with the truth. They're both self-made billionaires who built their companies on risky debt financing, and they both have narcissistic traits and an apparent "god complex," as well as difficulty accepting criticism.
  - loceng 8y ago
    Musk "despises" people who lie - including media that lie, not the general media. And Trump is far from a self-made billionaire - where are you getting your news? Your comparison is unreasonably loose.
    - camjohnson26 8y ago
      Self made is a stretch but he definitely earned billions from risky debt financing. Musk doesn't like media that disagrees with him, just look at what he said in this interview about the WSJ article. Both Musk and Trump are great at playing to what their base wants and have made themselves look like heroes to their supporters.
      - loceng 8y ago
        Self-made is a stretch for whom? Trump, definitely it's a stretch. Elon isn't a stretch to say he's a self-made billionaire. Likewise, risk is relative - it depends on if the people with the money find it too risky to invest or not, so clearly they didn't think it was too risky, nor did Elon for him to be willing to take it. Re: Interview - I didn't watch the interview, what are you referencing that he referenced in the WSJ article? My guess is it wasn't accurate or clear enough in his mind, meaning it was a "half truth" and too open to interpretation. Once again your further attempt to compare Elon and Trump is unreasonably loose. Trump plays his base with lies, Elon isn't playing any game - he's having fun certainly when he does things like throwing shade on the SEC for things relating to what he disagrees with like short sellers, and with things like selling not-a-flamethrowers, however he doesn't blatantly lie constantly - and I'd like you to reference with a reliable source even a single confirmed lie that Elon has said?
        camjohnson26 8y ago
        "Funding secured." It wasn't. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1026872652290379776 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1026872652290379776 https://www.businessinsider.com/teslas-elon-musk-settles-with-sec-must-step-down-as-chairman-2018-9?utm_source=markets&utm_medium=ingest https://www.businessinsider.com/teslas-elon-musk-settles-wit...
        loceng 8y ago
        First, nothing was proven - it wasn't proven a lie - them (Elon and company) not admitting to guilt and SEC making allegations isn't the same thing as a proven lie, and that puts a lot of doubt as to whether that could be considered a lie, or if the SEC could even prove it; essentially there would have been some short sellers that were pissed and putting pressure on the SEC, so the SEC responded and then both sides settled quickly - because $40mm is relatively nothing (it's like a $40 parking ticket for most of us) and likely not worth their or their attorneys' time and attention. Question for you. Do you have good credit where you could go to a bank and get a credit card, if you don't already have one? That bank would have access to your credit score, and you probably know based on your credit score what amount of credit you'd be able to secure, right? I could have used a different word than secure, however secure fits for this example. It's reasonable to believe similarly that the people who he had spoken to multiple times (and who we know have the available capital to invest) - who he trusted and whom trusted him - could have said they would provide whatever money necessary to take Tesla private. There's no proof contrary to that - and if there was proof of this then the SEC could have extracted a shitload more money than $40mm for the losses some short sellers would have had. Or we could just reference an article that doesn't have any proof (even though you're referencing it as proof) and pretend it's proof. So, so far you're not shown Elon has lied at all - and it's probably safe to say Trump lies daily about something - or more safely to say 90% of days he lies.
  - randomsearch 8y ago
    Both victims of the twitter manipulation machine.
    - loceng 8y ago
      Who are the supposed victims? Elon and Trump?
- almost_usual 8y ago
  At 50:00 Elon agrees that Trump's "Space Force" is a good idea.
  - loceng 8y ago
    Trump isn't the first person to talk about having a military presence in space, that was pretty much the main reason for the budget going into NASA early on. And, well, aside from the bias Elon would have where he's developing what will likely become the most successful for-profit space business in history - which I'm sure he's aware of that bias, it definitely is a good idea to be prepared to defend against bad actors who may use space as an attack vector; safety and security is clearly a concern of Elon's especially when it comes to the potential that AI has for devastating humanity.
    - almost_usual 8y ago
      >that was pretty much the main reason for the budget going into NASA early on Sputnik inspired NACA to transition to NASA out of fear. >And, well, aside from the bias Elon would have where he's developing what will likely become the most successful for-profit space business in history - which I'm sure he's aware of that bias, it definitely is a good idea to be prepared to defend against bad actors who may use space as an attack vector; safety and security is clearly a concern of Elon's especially when it comes to the potential that AI has for devastating humanity. Elon thinks it's a good idea because he likes subsidies. A "Space Invasion" doesn't make sense. A "Space Army" doesn't make sense. "Coastal Defense" doesn't make sense. ICBM missiles changed the entire meaning of war and defense.
      - loceng 8y ago
        Having the ability to quickly knockout a potential bad actor's communication satellites etc certainly makes sense. Having the ability to launch satellites into space 10x faster and a larger quantity could be an advantage, if it came to that - whether launching unknown space-to-surface weapons or for countering attack vectors a bad actor has or is launching into space. Re: Subsidies - As I said, Elon obviously has a bias, and the government isn't shy of subsidizing many industries and infrastructure. Likewise, if I or you want to use anecdotes as argument points, why not just saw war and fear doesn't make sense - so we shouldn't do anything proactively in the name of defense/protection?
nickik 8y ago
Why comment on him then?
- sidcool 8y ago
  I think I understand what 'ProAm' meant. Elon Musk is irresistible to nerds and geeks. He's the ultimate expression of the technical mind. And one wants Elon to be right all the time. He's like an addiction. You want to stop but it's not easy.

I'm tired of having Elon Musk in my life. I like his initiatives, but Im very tired of him.

by ProAm 8y ago

I'm tired of having Elon Musk in my life. I like his initiatives, but Im very tired of him.

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loceng 8y ago

Elon's been a counter-balance to the insanity that is Trump, for me at least.

camjohnson26 8y ago
Musk has a lot in common with Trump actually. They both despise the media and have a casual relationship with the truth. They're both self-made billionaires who built their companies on risky debt financing, and they both have narcissistic traits and an apparent "god complex," as well as difficulty accepting criticism.
- loceng 8y ago
  Musk "despises" people who lie - including media that lie, not the general media. And Trump is far from a self-made billionaire - where are you getting your news? Your comparison is unreasonably loose.
  - camjohnson26 8y ago
    Self made is a stretch but he definitely earned billions from risky debt financing. Musk doesn't like media that disagrees with him, just look at what he said in this interview about the WSJ article. Both Musk and Trump are great at playing to what their base wants and have made themselves look like heroes to their supporters.
    - loceng 8y ago
      Self-made is a stretch for whom? Trump, definitely it's a stretch. Elon isn't a stretch to say he's a self-made billionaire. Likewise, risk is relative - it depends on if the people with the money find it too risky to invest or not, so clearly they didn't think it was too risky, nor did Elon for him to be willing to take it. Re: Interview - I didn't watch the interview, what are you referencing that he referenced in the WSJ article? My guess is it wasn't accurate or clear enough in his mind, meaning it was a "half truth" and too open to interpretation. Once again your further attempt to compare Elon and Trump is unreasonably loose. Trump plays his base with lies, Elon isn't playing any game - he's having fun certainly when he does things like throwing shade on the SEC for things relating to what he disagrees with like short sellers, and with things like selling not-a-flamethrowers, however he doesn't blatantly lie constantly - and I'd like you to reference with a reliable source even a single confirmed lie that Elon has said?
      - camjohnson26 8y ago
        "Funding secured." It wasn't. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1026872652290379776 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1026872652290379776 https://www.businessinsider.com/teslas-elon-musk-settles-with-sec-must-step-down-as-chairman-2018-9?utm_source=markets&utm_medium=ingest https://www.businessinsider.com/teslas-elon-musk-settles-wit...
        loceng 8y ago
        First, nothing was proven - it wasn't proven a lie - them (Elon and company) not admitting to guilt and SEC making allegations isn't the same thing as a proven lie, and that puts a lot of doubt as to whether that could be considered a lie, or if the SEC could even prove it; essentially there would have been some short sellers that were pissed and putting pressure on the SEC, so the SEC responded and then both sides settled quickly - because $40mm is relatively nothing (it's like a $40 parking ticket for most of us) and likely not worth their or their attorneys' time and attention. Question for you. Do you have good credit where you could go to a bank and get a credit card, if you don't already have one? That bank would have access to your credit score, and you probably know based on your credit score what amount of credit you'd be able to secure, right? I could have used a different word than secure, however secure fits for this example. It's reasonable to believe similarly that the people who he had spoken to multiple times (and who we know have the available capital to invest) - who he trusted and whom trusted him - could have said they would provide whatever money necessary to take Tesla private. There's no proof contrary to that - and if there was proof of this then the SEC could have extracted a shitload more money than $40mm for the losses some short sellers would have had. Or we could just reference an article that doesn't have any proof (even though you're referencing it as proof) and pretend it's proof. So, so far you're not shown Elon has lied at all - and it's probably safe to say Trump lies daily about something - or more safely to say 90% of days he lies.
- randomsearch 8y ago
  Both victims of the twitter manipulation machine.
  - loceng 8y ago
    Who are the supposed victims? Elon and Trump?
almost_usual 8y ago
At 50:00 Elon agrees that Trump's "Space Force" is a good idea.
- loceng 8y ago
  Trump isn't the first person to talk about having a military presence in space, that was pretty much the main reason for the budget going into NASA early on. And, well, aside from the bias Elon would have where he's developing what will likely become the most successful for-profit space business in history - which I'm sure he's aware of that bias, it definitely is a good idea to be prepared to defend against bad actors who may use space as an attack vector; safety and security is clearly a concern of Elon's especially when it comes to the potential that AI has for devastating humanity.
  - almost_usual 8y ago
    >that was pretty much the main reason for the budget going into NASA early on Sputnik inspired NACA to transition to NASA out of fear. >And, well, aside from the bias Elon would have where he's developing what will likely become the most successful for-profit space business in history - which I'm sure he's aware of that bias, it definitely is a good idea to be prepared to defend against bad actors who may use space as an attack vector; safety and security is clearly a concern of Elon's especially when it comes to the potential that AI has for devastating humanity. Elon thinks it's a good idea because he likes subsidies. A "Space Invasion" doesn't make sense. A "Space Army" doesn't make sense. "Coastal Defense" doesn't make sense. ICBM missiles changed the entire meaning of war and defense.
    - loceng 8y ago
      Having the ability to quickly knockout a potential bad actor's communication satellites etc certainly makes sense. Having the ability to launch satellites into space 10x faster and a larger quantity could be an advantage, if it came to that - whether launching unknown space-to-surface weapons or for countering attack vectors a bad actor has or is launching into space. Re: Subsidies - As I said, Elon obviously has a bias, and the government isn't shy of subsidizing many industries and infrastructure. Likewise, if I or you want to use anecdotes as argument points, why not just saw war and fear doesn't make sense - so we shouldn't do anything proactively in the name of defense/protection?

nickik 8y ago

Why comment on him then?

sidcool 8y ago
I think I understand what 'ProAm' meant. Elon Musk is irresistible to nerds and geeks. He's the ultimate expression of the technical mind. And one wants Elon to be right all the time. He's like an addiction. You want to stop but it's not easy.