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Offtopic from your post for a couple paragraphs: I push back against my fellow conservatives who view things like basic living income a "socialist" idea. It see

Offtopic from your post for a couple paragraphs: I push back against my fellow conservatives who view things like basic living income a "socialist" idea. It seems to me that if people have more money in their pocket, they will buy more--good for capitalism. Also, if they have at least a minimal safety net and are not endangering their family, home, and bellies they will seek out work that is more fulfilling to them and therefore perform better. Maybe it's because I work in the healthcare industry, but I don't see universal healthcare as having the same safety-net effect. Other than stabilizing prices, it would only be a situation where the healthy support the sick. That is not inherently a bad thing, but needs to be recognized that way.

ianleeclark 8y ago
> I don't see universal healthcare as having the same safety-net effect. Why not? People work shit jobs solely for health insurance. People need healthcare and will do demeaning, exploitative things to get it. We should aim to decrease exploitation of people and having something along the lines of Medicare for all or single payer insurance would accomplish that goal. > Other than stabilizing prices, it would only be a situation where the healthy support the sick. Sounds like insurance. Mutual aid ought be a founding principle of any society.
- woodpanel 8y ago
  > Mutual aid ought be a founding principle of any society. The fact that the US has the same principles already in place (MedicAid, MediCare, veterans...) shows that it is not a matter of your society's helpfulness but a matter of your society's institutions that block reform out of self-interest.