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lol. On what planet is trump any of that? He's a left-leaning independent who happens to espouse a few republican type ideals like low taxes to stimulate the

by jki275 8y ago

lol. On what planet is trump any of that? He's a left-leaning independent who happens to espouse a few republican type ideals like low taxes to stimulate the economy, and a few democrat type ideals such as legalizing pot and lgbt rights. He could have credibly run for the democrat party's nomination and probably won it, in which case he'd be the darling of the left (and Hillary would still hate him). Remember, everybody on the left, including the last president, said all the same things he said about the immigration issue just a few years ago. He's not "right" or "racist" in any way, and he got where he is through the democratic process... I would agree with you he's not a libertarian. I am going to laugh my rear end off when he tells the DEA to take pot off the schedule though.

dragonwriter 8y ago
> He's a left-leaning independent Trump is obviously a Republican (whatever he may have had as an affiliation before), and equally-obviously not “left-leaning”, a shown by his actions with control over actual policy (whatever he might have pretended to make favorable connections with various, especially New York, politicians when his only interest in policy was getting favorable treatment for his own personal business interests.) > He could have credibly run for the democrat party's nomination and probably won it That's an interesting fantasy, that is only plausible in that (given his ambiguous political positions before the campaign) one might imagine him adopting a completely different persona that didn't back bigoted and right-wing causes and yet was no less inconsistent with his pre-campaign persona. But his campaign persona, and even moreso his policies and appointments in office, have been consistently hard right, and often outright bigoted, from his demonizing immigrants (including currently-legal ones as part of his campaign to curtail currently-legal immigration, especially family-based immigration) to the Muslim ban to his his anti-LGBT policies, to his stance against investigations of police civil rights violations that were ongoing when he took office (which were echoed even louder and given concrete policy substance by his appointee as Attorney-General, who is in lockstep on this issue even if they have not seen eye to eye over Trump's personal legal exposure.)
- jki275 8y ago
  You know he was a registered democrat once, right? He's not backed any "bigoted right wing causes." You know there was never a Muslim ban, right? You know that the immigration laws haven't changed, the previous administration simply ignored them. For anyone who believes in the rule of law, the laws are supposed to be enforced -- it's a foundational principle of operating a society. That's why he's continually called for Congress to change the laws if they want things changed. Police civil rights violations? Are you confused into thinking that local policing in the US is somehow affected by DOJ policies? The DOJ does not often get directly involved in local policing issues -- they've historically only gotten involved in the most egregious of cases.
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    > You know he was a registered democrat once, right? Yes, and I addressed that. > You know there was never a Muslim ban, right? There is an exclusion policy which Trump himself referred to as that. You can choose whether you think he did that because the polciy is actually bigoted or simply as a technique to appeal to bigots, I suppose. > You know that the immigration laws haven't changed, Trump has, in fact, campaigned for changes to them to reduce the scope of legal immigration, particularly to eliminate much currently legal family-based immigration (and even most recently asserted they he can universally abrogate a Constitutional guarantee in order to deny citizenship to children of immigrants.) > For anyone who believes in the rule of law, the laws are supposed to be enforced Well, yes, that is why a lot of people are upset about his suggestion that he would revoke birthright citizenship, guaranteed by the 14th Amendment, by executive order. > Police civil rights violations? Are you confused into thinking that local policing in the US is somehow affected by DOJ policies? Are you confused into thinking that the DoJ investigations into misconduct and federal civil rights charges (or, more often, consent decrees entered into to forestall such charges) don't effect local policing, both in the jurisdictions directly involved and others that don't want to end up under a DoJ microscope? > they've historically only gotten involved in the most egregious of cases. Yes, and there were some of those currently ongoing at the time of tj transition.
mcphage 8y ago
> lgbt rights Have you not been watching the news the past 2 years?

by jki275 8y ago

dragonwriter 8y ago

> He's a left-leaning independent Trump is obviously a Republican (whatever he may have had as an affiliation before), and equally-obviously not “left-leaning”, a shown by his actions with control over actual policy (whatever he might have pretended to make favorable connections with various, especially New York, politicians when his only interest in policy was getting favorable treatment for his own personal business interests.) > He could have credibly run for the democrat party's nomination and probably won it That's an interesting fantasy, that is only plausible in that (given his ambiguous political positions before the campaign) one might imagine him adopting a completely different persona that didn't back bigoted and right-wing causes and yet was no less inconsistent with his pre-campaign persona. But his campaign persona, and even moreso his policies and appointments in office, have been consistently hard right, and often outright bigoted, from his demonizing immigrants (including currently-legal ones as part of his campaign to curtail currently-legal immigration, especially family-based immigration) to the Muslim ban to his his anti-LGBT policies, to his stance against investigations of police civil rights violations that were ongoing when he took office (which were echoed even louder and given concrete policy substance by his appointee as Attorney-General, who is in lockstep on this issue even if they have not seen eye to eye over Trump's personal legal exposure.)

jki275 8y ago
You know he was a registered democrat once, right? He's not backed any "bigoted right wing causes." You know there was never a Muslim ban, right? You know that the immigration laws haven't changed, the previous administration simply ignored them. For anyone who believes in the rule of law, the laws are supposed to be enforced -- it's a foundational principle of operating a society. That's why he's continually called for Congress to change the laws if they want things changed. Police civil rights violations? Are you confused into thinking that local policing in the US is somehow affected by DOJ policies? The DOJ does not often get directly involved in local policing issues -- they've historically only gotten involved in the most egregious of cases.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > You know he was a registered democrat once, right? Yes, and I addressed that. > You know there was never a Muslim ban, right? There is an exclusion policy which Trump himself referred to as that. You can choose whether you think he did that because the polciy is actually bigoted or simply as a technique to appeal to bigots, I suppose. > You know that the immigration laws haven't changed, Trump has, in fact, campaigned for changes to them to reduce the scope of legal immigration, particularly to eliminate much currently legal family-based immigration (and even most recently asserted they he can universally abrogate a Constitutional guarantee in order to deny citizenship to children of immigrants.) > For anyone who believes in the rule of law, the laws are supposed to be enforced Well, yes, that is why a lot of people are upset about his suggestion that he would revoke birthright citizenship, guaranteed by the 14th Amendment, by executive order. > Police civil rights violations? Are you confused into thinking that local policing in the US is somehow affected by DOJ policies? Are you confused into thinking that the DoJ investigations into misconduct and federal civil rights charges (or, more often, consent decrees entered into to forestall such charges) don't effect local policing, both in the jurisdictions directly involved and others that don't want to end up under a DoJ microscope? > they've historically only gotten involved in the most egregious of cases. Yes, and there were some of those currently ongoing at the time of tj transition.

mcphage 8y ago

> lgbt rights Have you not been watching the news the past 2 years?