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You can’t congratulate capitalism for lifting people out of poverty when it was capitalism (with its friends like racism and colonialism) that put them there. C

You can’t congratulate capitalism for lifting people out of poverty when it was capitalism (with its friends like racism and colonialism) that put them there. Capitalism is inherently wrong, unless you belong to the winners. And no, a programmer making 200k a year isn’t a winner. He is bribed with toys and a comfortable lifestyle, at the cost of immense suffering outside of his view, to support a system that is eventually going to cost him as well. The only winners are in the board rooms of multinationals. Capitalism is flawed from its very core and no matter how many fixes and laws and regulations you implement, it will always be rotten. Just one leader like Trump and all its nastiness will show again by simply removing those laws and regulations. Capitalism cannot be fixed, but, like cancer, it must be cut out. The solution is of course anarchism. No gods, no masters, no ceo’s. That will most likely mean no iPhones, as keeping global trade alive will be impossible without the dictatorships of corporations. but that is a small price to no longer have a system that rewards poisoning rivers halfway across the world to make things for a bored population that is completely divorced from its society.

nyokodo 8y ago
Basically all of humanity was in extreme poverty until a rapid uptick in living standards started coincident with the industrial revolution that has exploded in the last 40 years. The uptick was because worker productivity aided by machines is vastly greater than in subsistence farming, and industrial production is far more efficient than pre-industrial. This combination has lead to a miracle in the rising of human living standards. To suggest that capitalism put people into extreme poverty is pure ideological distortion.
- gimmeDatCheddar 8y ago
  Not to mention that the same data shows that we are poised to absolutely crush climate change with carbon sequestration, renewables, and innovations in supply chain / logistics in every industry.
anonuser123456 8y ago
What a strange fantasy you live in.
lujim 8y ago
You started with an incorrect assertion that contradicts every data point available and end by advocating anarchy and a general collapse of civilization. I admire your conviction.
- gimmeDatCheddar 8y ago
  Communists are insane and violent individuals who don't care about data and reality.
  - lujim 8y ago
    lol you got downvoted.... I can't imagine what kind of person wouldn't agree with this statement. Falling for Communism in 1917 is one thing, but falling for it with access to a 20th century history book... well that's a mental disorder.
HappySweeney 8y ago
I don't know where this idea that anarchism has no masters came from. If anarchy were to truly set in, there would be at least one group of men with AK's and a tank, wandering around stealing food and women. Their leader would soon become your master.
- gimmeDatCheddar 8y ago
  Impossible, we all know that communism means equality and prosperity for all. /s
parasubvert 8y ago
Capitalism is not inherently wrong. It is a system of allocating productive resources, with tremendously positive benefits, and terrible drawbacks. You are offering an alternative utopian solution - Anarchism - that comes in many forms, one of which is Anarcho-Capitalism, or "even more capitalism", but you hand wave this away. I empathize with some Anarchist theory (Proudhon and mutualism comes to mind) but it's going to take a tremendous amount of time and strife to flesh out such a system. Coinciding with this report on wildlife, it turns out the countries with intact remaining wilderness are varying degrees of capitalist (Russia, Canada, Australia, the United States, and Brazil): http://time.com/5441282/five-countries-worlds-last-wilderness/ http://time.com/5441282/five-countries-worlds-last-wildernes... I believe that unchecked, unregulated anything (including capitalism) is what is depleting our world. Social democracy as a check on these impulses is sorely needed, but unfortunately in regression everywhere in favour of strongmen to hand wave these problems away, or blame some minority. We also need to look beyond our world in the long run.

nyokodo 8y ago

Basically all of humanity was in extreme poverty until a rapid uptick in living standards started coincident with the industrial revolution that has exploded in the last 40 years. The uptick was because worker productivity aided by machines is vastly greater than in subsistence farming, and industrial production is far more efficient than pre-industrial. This combination has lead to a miracle in the rising of human living standards. To suggest that capitalism put people into extreme poverty is pure ideological distortion.

gimmeDatCheddar 8y ago
Not to mention that the same data shows that we are poised to absolutely crush climate change with carbon sequestration, renewables, and innovations in supply chain / logistics in every industry.

anonuser123456 8y ago

What a strange fantasy you live in.

lujim 8y ago

You started with an incorrect assertion that contradicts every data point available and end by advocating anarchy and a general collapse of civilization. I admire your conviction.

gimmeDatCheddar 8y ago
Communists are insane and violent individuals who don't care about data and reality.
- lujim 8y ago
  lol you got downvoted.... I can't imagine what kind of person wouldn't agree with this statement. Falling for Communism in 1917 is one thing, but falling for it with access to a 20th century history book... well that's a mental disorder.

HappySweeney 8y ago

I don't know where this idea that anarchism has no masters came from. If anarchy were to truly set in, there would be at least one group of men with AK's and a tank, wandering around stealing food and women. Their leader would soon become your master.

gimmeDatCheddar 8y ago
Impossible, we all know that communism means equality and prosperity for all. /s

parasubvert 8y ago

Capitalism is not inherently wrong. It is a system of allocating productive resources, with tremendously positive benefits, and terrible drawbacks. You are offering an alternative utopian solution - Anarchism - that comes in many forms, one of which is Anarcho-Capitalism, or "even more capitalism", but you hand wave this away. I empathize with some Anarchist theory (Proudhon and mutualism comes to mind) but it's going to take a tremendous amount of time and strife to flesh out such a system. Coinciding with this report on wildlife, it turns out the countries with intact remaining wilderness are varying degrees of capitalist (Russia, Canada, Australia, the United States, and Brazil): http://time.com/5441282/five-countries-worlds-last-wilderness/ http://time.com/5441282/five-countries-worlds-last-wildernes... I believe that unchecked, unregulated anything (including capitalism) is what is depleting our world. Social democracy as a check on these impulses is sorely needed, but unfortunately in regression everywhere in favour of strongmen to hand wave these problems away, or blame some minority. We also need to look beyond our world in the long run.