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EDIT: As pointed out below, I probably misread the intent of the comment I was replying to as its exact opposite (because I thought the user was the same as GP)

EDIT: As pointed out below, I probably misread the intent of the comment I was replying to as its exact opposite (because I thought the user was the same as GP). If so my apologies. So you're saying a country that censors Nazis but not nudity has crazier stances on free speech than one that censors nudity but not Nazis? Ever heard of the paradox of tolerance? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

FabHK 8y ago
> So you're saying a country that censors Nazis but not nudity has crazier stances on free speech than one that censors nudity but not Nazis? I don't think he said that, just the opposite. I don't think he was being sarcastic. Hard to say, though, with this internet text thingy.
- vanderZwan 8y ago
  Hmm, upon rereading I think you're right. You see, I had not noticed it was a different user from GP, which biased my interpretation of intent. > Hard to say, though, with this internet text thingy. Tell me about it. Poe's Law[0] is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to communication difficulties on the web, and with trolls (paid trolls even) and algorithms that favor imflammatory content for stronger virality and increased watch time it's getting worse. Then again, that was exactly one of the main things that Adam Curtis was warning about in HyperNormalisation, and Clay Shirky in his work in general[1][2]. We're still coming to grips with this new medium of communication and haven't quite figured out adequate protective systems against abuse and exploitation yet. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperNormalisation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperNormalisation [2] https://www.ted.com/talks/clay_shirky_how_the_internet_will_one_day_transform_government/transcript https://www.ted.com/talks/clay_shirky_how_the_internet_will_...
seszett 8y ago
> you're saying a country that censors Nazis but not nudity has crazier stances on free speech than one that censors nudity but not Nazis No, I said the contrary. I am rather content with the state of free speech in France (and by extension, Germany, which is almost the same on this respect) because it fits very well my own view of how a tolerant society, respectful of its citizens, should behave.
- vanderZwan 8y ago
  So we were in agreement then, and I indeed misread your intent. Apologies.

FabHK 8y ago

> So you're saying a country that censors Nazis but not nudity has crazier stances on free speech than one that censors nudity but not Nazis? I don't think he said that, just the opposite. I don't think he was being sarcastic. Hard to say, though, with this internet text thingy.

vanderZwan 8y ago
Hmm, upon rereading I think you're right. You see, I had not noticed it was a different user from GP, which biased my interpretation of intent. > Hard to say, though, with this internet text thingy. Tell me about it. Poe's Law[0] is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to communication difficulties on the web, and with trolls (paid trolls even) and algorithms that favor imflammatory content for stronger virality and increased watch time it's getting worse. Then again, that was exactly one of the main things that Adam Curtis was warning about in HyperNormalisation, and Clay Shirky in his work in general[1][2]. We're still coming to grips with this new medium of communication and haven't quite figured out adequate protective systems against abuse and exploitation yet. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperNormalisation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperNormalisation [2] https://www.ted.com/talks/clay_shirky_how_the_internet_will_one_day_transform_government/transcript https://www.ted.com/talks/clay_shirky_how_the_internet_will_...

seszett 8y ago

> you're saying a country that censors Nazis but not nudity has crazier stances on free speech than one that censors nudity but not Nazis No, I said the contrary. I am rather content with the state of free speech in France (and by extension, Germany, which is almost the same on this respect) because it fits very well my own view of how a tolerant society, respectful of its citizens, should behave.

vanderZwan 8y ago
So we were in agreement then, and I indeed misread your intent. Apologies.