Your comments all over this thread kinda just make it seem like you have an ax to grind against Apple. I'll assume you're not really interested in debating my

Your comments all over this thread kinda just make it seem like you have an ax to grind against Apple. I'll assume you're not really interested in debating my motivations for posting here. That sounds like a good way to just get into a petty internet argument. Other than that, you make some good points. No, I don't see Apple innovating in ways that matter to me, to be honest. Of course, that's a messy argument. They have changed plenty of things since SJ passed. Those products appeal to many people. So I don't know how to quantify it. They've certainly made a lot of money, so there's that. As for services and Apple's focus on it: is it helping anybody? It doesn't help me. Instead I get nag screens and advertisements I didn't used to get. I get pushed to a "subscription model" I don't want. I get second rate versions of Spotify, Google Maps. And I've seen Apple evolve from eWorld through iTools through dotMac, MobileMe, iCloud... I'm not the only person whose mouth those services left with a bad taste. If Apple truly is, first and foremost, a "services company" as the OP pondered, then I think they really have their work cut for them.