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The page currently times out loading, but from what I gather from the title, it seems that my distrust in the circumcicion against AIDS stories was on track. I
by wirrbel 8y ago
The page currently times out loading, but from what I gather from the title, it seems that my distrust in the circumcicion against AIDS stories was on track.
It always felt a bit like puritans trying to find empiric evidence for their moral and cultural traditions.
- isomorph 8y agoCached version: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2012/05/when-bad-science-kills-or-how-to-spread-aids/&strip=1&vwsrc=0 http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:blog.pr... There is a definite neo-colonial shadow hanging over it
- shard972 8y agoThis is why we need to integrate more africans into modern science fields.
- isomorph 8y agoThere are many African students at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine (an alumnus of which runs the World Health Organization). The discourse at that institution around circumcision, and the taboo of mentioning it alongside FGM/C without saying "circumcision is NOTHING compared to FGM" are difficult
- telchar 8y agoThe fallacy that MGM and FGM need to compete rhetorically is a significant hurdle in the discourse. Too many people see it as an unnecessary game of one-upmanship for some reason.
- Analemma_ 8y agoIt’s unbelievable how far people will twist themselves in knots trying to find utilitarian justifications for what is, at the end of the day, non-consensual mutilation done for no reason other than “because tradition.”
- isomorph 8y agoPeople downvoting the above - see the cached version of the article to see why the utilitarian / public health justifications are incorrect. I agree - it's on the wrong side of history. When we look back will be shocked at what we did to ourselves and our children, simply because we could not evaluate a study correctly. In the case of infants it's certainly non-consensual In the case of adults there is an issue with the "informed" part of informed consent There is massive historical momentum behind it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_male_circumcision#Revival_in_the_English-speaking_world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_male_circumcision#R...
- mikeash 8y agoIf someone sliced off the tip of his kid’s pinky finger because he claimed God told him to do it, we’d lock him in a padded room. But the tip of the kid’s penis is not only totally fine, we’ll try to convince more people to do it!
- gumby 8y agoMy kid was born in a US hospital and the woman who did the circumcisions was very pushy that we should get it done ASAP. We said we'd let him decide when he became an adult and she said "but if you let him decide he'll decide not to do it" which seemed like a pretty good argument to me! I did hear from the staff that she got peed on pretty much every time.