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But you can get a phone for 3-500 (xiaomi, oneplus) bucks that would be 90% as good. Samsung phones usually have BOGO deal so you can get them for 3-500 as well

But you can get a phone for 3-500 (xiaomi, oneplus) bucks that would be 90% as good. Samsung phones usually have BOGO deal so you can get them for 3-500 as well.

threeseed 8y ago
Of course. I'm just saying that for most people their phone is by far their most important and intensively used product they own. And so if you need a product like that I am sure you would be willing to absorb higher prices. Which is what people are doing.
thecosas 8y ago
I always hear that there are issues with Android devices getting the latest security updates, etc since there are manufacturer and carrier dependencies. Is that still the case or just urban myth at this point?
- saagarjha 8y ago
  I believe Android has gotten better about pushing security updates, at least to most flagship phones. But they still lag behind on OS updates.
- loueed 8y ago
  Cheaper phones rarely get more 2 software updates, and security patches can take years to roll out. This is mainly because manufacturers have no incentive to spend money on patching/updating software that a small number of people use. https://www.statista.com/statistics/271774/share-of-android-platforms-on-mobile-devices-with-android-os/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/271774/share-of-android-... Google is working on a new OS for the pixel which will attempt to solve this fragmented Android issue.
cycrutchfield 8y ago
Turns out that last 10% is where the majority of value is created.
- agumonkey 8y ago
  Not even sarcastically true. That's why I'd get an Apple, to get some polish. Apple is far from perfect, but the rest is so far behind..
- what_ever 8y ago
  Definitely not the case in rest of the world. US is where iOS is equally dominating as Android. Probably due to social pressure or everyone having an iPhone. Android is still majority overall everywhere else.
  - greglindahl 8y ago
    Majority of the profit? Majority of the revenue? Android has the majority of the unit volume, definitely.
  - graeme 8y ago
    Not just the US. iOS is also majority in all the anglosphere countries: uk, canada, australia Then it has about 70% in japan. Europe is a bit lower, around 30-35%. And then the result of the world is android by a vast margin. So in all the rich markets, iphone puts in a majority or good showing. Whereas android dominates at lower price points where the iphone doesn't compete. http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/japan http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/japan You can click around this site to see stats on different regions. Mind you I don't know where they source from.
    - what_ever 8y ago
      How about this site then? https://www.statista.com/statistics/260415/market-share-held-by-smartphone-operating-systems-in-japan/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/260415/market-share-held...
    - what_ever 8y ago
      Also, https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-ios-market-share-us-europe-japan-2018-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-ios-market-share-us-eu... https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5a5e13a228eecc26008b500a-640-483.png https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5a5e13a228eecc26008b5... No majority in GB as well. France is highest in mainland EU at 22.7.
mattkevan 8y ago
You don’t have to buy new. I just bought a second hand 7 plus for around £350, and it’s excellent. It’s a couple of generations old now, but it’s in immaculate condition with a good battery and will easily last me a couple of years unless I do something stupid.
dpkonofa 8y ago
>that would be 90% as good Maybe to you but I've tried several other phones that are nowhere near that close to Apple. I'd give the best non-Apple phone I've ever used a 70% and even that might be being generous.
- zzleeper 8y ago
  A lot of people say what you do, but personally I don't understand that argument. I'm typing on a $200 Huawei , and on my side there's a $900 iPhone paid by my employer that I can't even get bothered to use. I even switched to the iPhone for 4 weeks while abroad (free data roaming) and just went back to the Huawei when I returned; I just like it more.
  - hunta2097 8y ago
    I'm in the same boat. I work for a mobile telecoms provider so have my iPhone upgraded for free every 18 months. I still prefer my personal handset (Honor 10 right now, love it). The iPhone 8+ is closed and boring to me.
  - dpkonofa 8y ago
    That's fine. That's your preference. No one is saying you can't have a preference. I prefer the iPhone and none of the Android phones that I've tried and used regularly hold a candle to it. The argument was that these less-expensive phones are 90% of the way there and I disagree. I used to like to tinker with phones a lot. Now I just want something that works every time I use it without fuss. There's no phone that's close to where the iPhones are in those terms.

But you can get a phone for 3-500 (xiaomi, oneplus) bucks that would be 90% as good. Samsung phones usually have BOGO deal so you can get them for 3-500 as well.

threeseed 8y ago

Of course. I'm just saying that for most people their phone is by far their most important and intensively used product they own. And so if you need a product like that I am sure you would be willing to absorb higher prices. Which is what people are doing.

thecosas 8y ago

I always hear that there are issues with Android devices getting the latest security updates, etc since there are manufacturer and carrier dependencies. Is that still the case or just urban myth at this point?

saagarjha 8y ago
I believe Android has gotten better about pushing security updates, at least to most flagship phones. But they still lag behind on OS updates.
loueed 8y ago
Cheaper phones rarely get more 2 software updates, and security patches can take years to roll out. This is mainly because manufacturers have no incentive to spend money on patching/updating software that a small number of people use. https://www.statista.com/statistics/271774/share-of-android-platforms-on-mobile-devices-with-android-os/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/271774/share-of-android-... Google is working on a new OS for the pixel which will attempt to solve this fragmented Android issue.

cycrutchfield 8y ago

Turns out that last 10% is where the majority of value is created.

agumonkey 8y ago
Not even sarcastically true. That's why I'd get an Apple, to get some polish. Apple is far from perfect, but the rest is so far behind..
what_ever 8y ago
Definitely not the case in rest of the world. US is where iOS is equally dominating as Android. Probably due to social pressure or everyone having an iPhone. Android is still majority overall everywhere else.
- greglindahl 8y ago
  Majority of the profit? Majority of the revenue? Android has the majority of the unit volume, definitely.
- graeme 8y ago
  Not just the US. iOS is also majority in all the anglosphere countries: uk, canada, australia Then it has about 70% in japan. Europe is a bit lower, around 30-35%. And then the result of the world is android by a vast margin. So in all the rich markets, iphone puts in a majority or good showing. Whereas android dominates at lower price points where the iphone doesn't compete. http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/japan http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/japan You can click around this site to see stats on different regions. Mind you I don't know where they source from.
  - what_ever 8y ago
    How about this site then? https://www.statista.com/statistics/260415/market-share-held-by-smartphone-operating-systems-in-japan/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/260415/market-share-held...
  - what_ever 8y ago
    Also, https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-ios-market-share-us-europe-japan-2018-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-ios-market-share-us-eu... https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5a5e13a228eecc26008b500a-640-483.png https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5a5e13a228eecc26008b5... No majority in GB as well. France is highest in mainland EU at 22.7.

mattkevan 8y ago

You don’t have to buy new. I just bought a second hand 7 plus for around £350, and it’s excellent. It’s a couple of generations old now, but it’s in immaculate condition with a good battery and will easily last me a couple of years unless I do something stupid.

dpkonofa 8y ago

>that would be 90% as good Maybe to you but I've tried several other phones that are nowhere near that close to Apple. I'd give the best non-Apple phone I've ever used a 70% and even that might be being generous.

zzleeper 8y ago
A lot of people say what you do, but personally I don't understand that argument. I'm typing on a $200 Huawei , and on my side there's a $900 iPhone paid by my employer that I can't even get bothered to use. I even switched to the iPhone for 4 weeks while abroad (free data roaming) and just went back to the Huawei when I returned; I just like it more.
- hunta2097 8y ago
  I'm in the same boat. I work for a mobile telecoms provider so have my iPhone upgraded for free every 18 months. I still prefer my personal handset (Honor 10 right now, love it). The iPhone 8+ is closed and boring to me.
- dpkonofa 8y ago
  That's fine. That's your preference. No one is saying you can't have a preference. I prefer the iPhone and none of the Android phones that I've tried and used regularly hold a candle to it. The argument was that these less-expensive phones are 90% of the way there and I disagree. I used to like to tinker with phones a lot. Now I just want something that works every time I use it without fuss. There's no phone that's close to where the iPhones are in those terms.