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I am normally not a fan of HN comments about the website and not the story, but this site is horrendous! Try anything else: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/30/

• samfriedman 8y ago
  The SFGate article is a literal reposting of that NYTimes story, and they state as such by the bottom. I think the link should be updated to point to the Times in this case.