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Agree. When you perform an online search for articles on the "wage gap myth," the majority of the articles seem traceable back to her.

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malvosenior 8y ago
It's because even though there is no data to support the wage gap, it's very unpopular to question it. Christina Hoff Summers is a pioneer in the field of gender equality and has paid a huge price by actually investigating these issues. It's a risky position to take in today's political climate so not many have followed her footsteps.
- astura 8y ago
  >there is no data to support the wage gap This is false. https://www.epi.org/publication/what-is-the-gender-pay-gap-and-is-it-real/ https://www.epi.org/publication/what-is-the-gender-pay-gap-a... >it's very unpopular to question it. Also false, it's very popular (and almost cliché) to dismiss it. >Christina Hoff Summers... has paid a huge price by actually investigating these issues. And what price would that be? She seems extremely successful. http://www.aei.org/scholar/christina-hoff-sommers/ http://www.aei.org/scholar/christina-hoff-sommers/
  - malvosenior 8y ago
    From your link: "$3.27 less per hour than men. The median hourly wage is $15.67 for women and $18.94 for men. The gender wage gap is a measure of what women are paid relative to men. It is commonly calculated by dividing women’s wages by men’s wages, and this ratio is often expressed as a percent, or in dollar terms. This tells us how much a woman is paid for each dollar paid to a man. This gender pay ratio is often measured for year-round, full-time workers and compares the annual wages (of hourly wage and salaried workers) of the median (“typical”) man with that of the median (“typical”) woman; measured this way, the current gender pay ratio is 0.796, or, expressed as a percent, it is 79.6 percent (U.S. Census Bureau 2016). In other words, for every dollar a man makes, a woman makes about 80 cents." It's meaningless to compare different positions pay to each other. "Typical" men vs "typical" women doesn't tell us anything about potential discrimination.
    - astura 8y ago
      Oh, FFS, c'mon. There's over 12,800 words in the article and 67 citations. It includes sections such as "How do work experience, schedules, and motherhood affect the gender wage gap?", "How do education and job and occupational characteristics affect the gender wage gap?", "Does a woman’s race, age, or pay level affect the gender gap she experiences?", and "What role do 'unobservables' like discrimination and productivity play in the wage gap?" yet you choose to ignore all of it and argue against something from the introduction that's expanded upon further down. You're arguing on bad faith here.
      - malvosenior 8y ago
        It's an argument against adjusted wage gap calculations or comparing salaries in the same roles. I fundamentally object to the very premise. > You're arguing on bad faith here. No, I just disagree with you.
        orf 8y ago
        No, you're clearly arguing in bad faith with him and you clearly have not read the article. The sections titled "Women earn less than men at every wage level" and "How might discrimination—in the form of norms and expectations—be affecting the wage gap by constraining women’s choices?" might be enlightening to you, given your original cherry picked issue.
        malvosenior 8y ago
        How am I arguing in bad faith? He responded to my comment with link to a far left think tank that uses an alternate definition of wage gap than what were talking about. > "Women earn less than men at every wage level" It's utterly useless to compare wage levels across different roles. I read the article, I strongly disagree with it. Do you really think comparing the pay of people in different roles is useful? It's apples and oranges. I don't expect a nurse and an engineer to make the same amount of money. This is my argument and it's not in bad faith.

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malvosenior 8y ago

It's because even though there is no data to support the wage gap, it's very unpopular to question it. Christina Hoff Summers is a pioneer in the field of gender equality and has paid a huge price by actually investigating these issues. It's a risky position to take in today's political climate so not many have followed her footsteps.

astura 8y ago
>there is no data to support the wage gap This is false. https://www.epi.org/publication/what-is-the-gender-pay-gap-and-is-it-real/ https://www.epi.org/publication/what-is-the-gender-pay-gap-a... >it's very unpopular to question it. Also false, it's very popular (and almost cliché) to dismiss it. >Christina Hoff Summers... has paid a huge price by actually investigating these issues. And what price would that be? She seems extremely successful. http://www.aei.org/scholar/christina-hoff-sommers/ http://www.aei.org/scholar/christina-hoff-sommers/
- malvosenior 8y ago
  From your link: "$3.27 less per hour than men. The median hourly wage is $15.67 for women and $18.94 for men. The gender wage gap is a measure of what women are paid relative to men. It is commonly calculated by dividing women’s wages by men’s wages, and this ratio is often expressed as a percent, or in dollar terms. This tells us how much a woman is paid for each dollar paid to a man. This gender pay ratio is often measured for year-round, full-time workers and compares the annual wages (of hourly wage and salaried workers) of the median (“typical”) man with that of the median (“typical”) woman; measured this way, the current gender pay ratio is 0.796, or, expressed as a percent, it is 79.6 percent (U.S. Census Bureau 2016). In other words, for every dollar a man makes, a woman makes about 80 cents." It's meaningless to compare different positions pay to each other. "Typical" men vs "typical" women doesn't tell us anything about potential discrimination.
  - astura 8y ago
    Oh, FFS, c'mon. There's over 12,800 words in the article and 67 citations. It includes sections such as "How do work experience, schedules, and motherhood affect the gender wage gap?", "How do education and job and occupational characteristics affect the gender wage gap?", "Does a woman’s race, age, or pay level affect the gender gap she experiences?", and "What role do 'unobservables' like discrimination and productivity play in the wage gap?" yet you choose to ignore all of it and argue against something from the introduction that's expanded upon further down. You're arguing on bad faith here.
    - malvosenior 8y ago
      It's an argument against adjusted wage gap calculations or comparing salaries in the same roles. I fundamentally object to the very premise. > You're arguing on bad faith here. No, I just disagree with you.
      - orf 8y ago
        No, you're clearly arguing in bad faith with him and you clearly have not read the article. The sections titled "Women earn less than men at every wage level" and "How might discrimination—in the form of norms and expectations—be affecting the wage gap by constraining women’s choices?" might be enlightening to you, given your original cherry picked issue.
        malvosenior 8y ago
        How am I arguing in bad faith? He responded to my comment with link to a far left think tank that uses an alternate definition of wage gap than what were talking about. > "Women earn less than men at every wage level" It's utterly useless to compare wage levels across different roles. I read the article, I strongly disagree with it. Do you really think comparing the pay of people in different roles is useful? It's apples and oranges. I don't expect a nurse and an engineer to make the same amount of money. This is my argument and it's not in bad faith.