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State level politics might help. California is trying to be carbon-neutral by 2045: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/can-california-achieve-a-ldquo-ca

State level politics might help. California is trying to be carbon-neutral by 2045: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/can-california-achieve-a-ldquo-carbon-neutral-rdquo-economy/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/can-california-ac...

agumonkey 8y ago
Even that is too large IMO. At least in my view of things, I'm cool with states working on this. I wanted something like communities. I'll see.
- Nasrudith 8y ago
  I'm curious why the small community emphasis?
  - agumonkey 8y ago
    half subjective reasons: - I'm bored by the system and jobless, and this would be an interesting thing to try as an activity for me - larger efforts are slow - I have this vision that bootstrapping small group efforts my heat up the system to help larger efforts. I may add that large changes are bouncing back and forth between 'people are responsible' and 'industries are responsible' without going much anywhere. And I'm fairly convinced that most of people's behavior is mostly pleasurable habits (and mostly individual at that) and that people can't really change because alone and inexperienced in a change makes anything harder; while in a group, with a few that have skills (nutrition, mechanics, etc) can turn this into a pleasant new habit.
    - Nasrudith 8y ago
      Ah so more for personal reasons fair enough. Digital efforts could scale in a nonlocal way with teaching theoretically but people would need to take interest although it could help if they say see an easy to make hummus as a healthy and delicious dinner to get them to natrually start eating less meat not as an end goal but because of legitimate preference.
      - agumonkey 8y ago
        Oh the digital part is mostly a few bits of calling and logging, I don't want any sophisticated tooling, the goal is gathering and enjoying learning/doing together. I don't know what to cook off humus, but surely by having great new dinners, hobbies that are fun, eco friendly is the goal. Basically low on resources, high on pleasantness.

agumonkey 8y ago

Even that is too large IMO. At least in my view of things, I'm cool with states working on this. I wanted something like communities. I'll see.

Nasrudith 8y ago
I'm curious why the small community emphasis?
- agumonkey 8y ago
  half subjective reasons: - I'm bored by the system and jobless, and this would be an interesting thing to try as an activity for me - larger efforts are slow - I have this vision that bootstrapping small group efforts my heat up the system to help larger efforts. I may add that large changes are bouncing back and forth between 'people are responsible' and 'industries are responsible' without going much anywhere. And I'm fairly convinced that most of people's behavior is mostly pleasurable habits (and mostly individual at that) and that people can't really change because alone and inexperienced in a change makes anything harder; while in a group, with a few that have skills (nutrition, mechanics, etc) can turn this into a pleasant new habit.
  - Nasrudith 8y ago
    Ah so more for personal reasons fair enough. Digital efforts could scale in a nonlocal way with teaching theoretically but people would need to take interest although it could help if they say see an easy to make hummus as a healthy and delicious dinner to get them to natrually start eating less meat not as an end goal but because of legitimate preference.
    - agumonkey 8y ago
      Oh the digital part is mostly a few bits of calling and logging, I don't want any sophisticated tooling, the goal is gathering and enjoying learning/doing together. I don't know what to cook off humus, but surely by having great new dinners, hobbies that are fun, eco friendly is the goal. Basically low on resources, high on pleasantness.