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I think you're being too rigid. There are situations where one employee forces themselves on another at the christmas party. In that situation obviously the rig
by slivym 8y ago
I think you're being too rigid. There are situations where one employee forces themselves on another at the christmas party. In that situation obviously the right call is to report it to the police and to have a disciplinary process internally for gross misconduct. But there's a million smaller examples of harassment that just need to be tackled by the organization. For example, if a man repeatedly makes comments about a woman's appearance, there needs to be a process where the woman can report that, be heard and have the issue addressed - it may be as simple as the employee's boss pulling the into a room and saying "stop being a creep". Not everything is solved by law suits.
However, obviously if things do escalate, access to the law should be guaranteed and the binding arbitration should clearly be dropped.
- majewsky 8y agoIt's odd how on one hand, the consensus here is that the quality of the work environment is very important to the productivity and the wellbeing of employees. And on the other hand, people argue that this type of misconduct should not be punished unless it's literally illegal.
- gedy 8y agoI think a lot of the hesitation is people fear kangaroo courts and termination without due process due to false accusations or exaggerations. Much as the extra legal stuff that goes on in college.
- danharaj 8y agoIn other words, people here are more concerned with a phenomenon that is measurably rare relative to the downright epidemic that people are seeking to counteract. I think that says a lot about one's values.
- AnthonyMouse 8y agoWhether a phenomenon is rare has a lot to do with how common it is. People getting shafted by kangaroo courts is rare when kangaroo courts are rare. What happens when you make kangaroo courts common?
- gedy 8y agoIn my experience "cry-bullying" is not as rare as you make it out to be.
- zaccus 8y agoHow rare false accusations are is completely irrelevant. If the goal is justice, then due process is non-negotiable. Period.
- scotty79 8y agoThe goal is not justice. The goal is to limit the damage done by misbehaving employees, as cheap as possible.
- stallmanite 8y agoNo justice, no peace
- klagermkii 8y agoWhat you have is an epidemic of powerful employees abusing their position to take advantage of junior employees. What seems to be suggested to fight it are tools that would be extremely effective against other junior employees (even if the allegations are untrue), but only middlingly effective against the real problem of powerful employees. That will understandably lead to push back from junior employees who fear abuse. Offer solutions which would primarily work against powerful employees and would be ineffective against other junior employees and I think there would be much more support.
- RodericDay 8y agoIt's very much a "sexual harassment sucks for them, but that solution could affect me, a guy!" mentality Fuck you got mine transposed