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Hate to break it to you, but there is no such thing as ethically farmed meat. If it’s killed for your plate, it’s still bad karma.

nerdponx 8y ago
This is a matter of opinion, not fact. With dairy, you might have a point.
adrianN 8y ago
You don't acknowledge an ethical difference between a pig that has never seen the sun and lived on barely enough room to stand and a pig that has been held in a way that accommodated its natural behaviors?
- nhangen 8y ago
  There is an ethical difference yes, but it’s still a net negative. We don’t need to kill in order to eat. We just choose to.
  - xyzzy123 8y ago
    It gets ethically weird for me when I contemplate hypothetical pigs that had happy lives but would not have existed if they were not farmed. Kinda Logan’s run? But pigs. The utilitarian in me wants to see the existence of the pig as an ethical net positive overall.
- johnchristopher 8y ago
  I think the argument that eating the pig raised in dark factory is better than the pig that had a life is valid.
  - nhangen 8y ago
    Sure, but that doesn't make it "ethical." It's still killed, and nothing wants to be killed.
nightcracker 8y ago
I hate to break it to you, but everything that you eat is killed for your plate.
- mac01021 8y ago
  Unless you're a freegan
CuriouslyC 8y ago
Death isn't the problem, everything dies. The problem is needless suffering. Eating meat can actually be a moral act. If the animal you eat lead a better life than it otherwise would have because of the care you provided in raising it, it's a net good. To put this in perspective, imagine you were impoverished and living a miserable existence and someone offered to let you live in comfort and luxury, and promised to take care of your offspring, but in exchange you had to agree to euthanasia at age 30. That might not be attractive to you from a first world perspective, but a lot of people would take that in a heartbeat.
- nhangen 8y ago
  Death !== killing, not matter how you want to justify it.

nerdponx 8y ago

This is a matter of opinion, not fact. With dairy, you might have a point.

adrianN 8y ago

You don't acknowledge an ethical difference between a pig that has never seen the sun and lived on barely enough room to stand and a pig that has been held in a way that accommodated its natural behaviors?

nhangen 8y ago
There is an ethical difference yes, but it’s still a net negative. We don’t need to kill in order to eat. We just choose to.
- xyzzy123 8y ago
  It gets ethically weird for me when I contemplate hypothetical pigs that had happy lives but would not have existed if they were not farmed. Kinda Logan’s run? But pigs. The utilitarian in me wants to see the existence of the pig as an ethical net positive overall.
johnchristopher 8y ago
I think the argument that eating the pig raised in dark factory is better than the pig that had a life is valid.
- nhangen 8y ago
  Sure, but that doesn't make it "ethical." It's still killed, and nothing wants to be killed.

nightcracker 8y ago

I hate to break it to you, but everything that you eat is killed for your plate.

mac01021 8y ago
Unless you're a freegan

CuriouslyC 8y ago

Death isn't the problem, everything dies. The problem is needless suffering. Eating meat can actually be a moral act. If the animal you eat lead a better life than it otherwise would have because of the care you provided in raising it, it's a net good. To put this in perspective, imagine you were impoverished and living a miserable existence and someone offered to let you live in comfort and luxury, and promised to take care of your offspring, but in exchange you had to agree to euthanasia at age 30. That might not be attractive to you from a first world perspective, but a lot of people would take that in a heartbeat.

nhangen 8y ago
Death !== killing, not matter how you want to justify it.