> Clojure has the java ecosystem, but it was very tedious (more cognitive load) investing lots of time doing interop instead of just focusing on the problem at

> Clojure has the java ecosystem, but it was very tedious (more cognitive load) investing lots of time doing interop instead of just focusing on the problem at hand. I suspect you have no JVM/Java experience? Because I do, and I don't in NodeJS, and I find the reverse to be true in my case.