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Allow them to secede. There is no excuse for genocide. It happend in former Yugoslavia. It should happen in China.

sho 8y ago
Firstly, it's not "genocide" at all - that's typical hyperbole from a very politically motivated party. His next quote reveals his definition of genocide: > “They want to erase, erase, erase your identity and our culture and to melt them into Han Chinese.” That's quite different, and also accurate. They want them to learn Chinese and acknowledge they live in China. Of course. Interesting that you suggested the Yugoslavian "solution" which required a bloody war, in case you'd forgotten, between ethnic populations of roughly equal sizes and mass displacements. This "solution" could only ever have one outcome if you're seriously suggesting China should simply fight for its land and displace the rebels. That "war" would last roughly until tea time.
- cirgue 8y ago
  Genocide is the systematic dismantling of an ethnic identity. It doesn’t definitionally include killing.
  - cjhopman 8y ago
    That's a rather liberal definition of the word. From brittanica, "Genocide: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people because of their ethnicity, nationality, religion, or race." I don't think "dismantling of an ethnic identity" at all fits into "deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people" unless you weaken "destruction" to mean almost nothing. From wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide), "it has been applied to the Holocaust, and many other mass killings including the genocide of indigenous peoples in the Americas, the Armenian Genocide, the Greek genocide, the Assyrian genocide, the Serbian genocide, the Holodomor, the Indonesian genocide,[6] the Guatemalan genocide, the 1971 Bangladesh genocide, the Cambodian genocide, and after 1980 the Bosnian genocide, the Kurdish genocide, the Darfur genocide, and the Rwandan genocide." All of those examples are actual killings of people, not this new age definition of changing people's opinions about things.
- dalbasal 8y ago
  Let's not argue about the words themselves. This is pointless. We know what's happening roughly, and it's a terrible thing regardless if what you call it.
- int_19h 8y ago
  > They want them to learn Chinese and acknowledge they live in China. Of course. Why "of course"? Those people aren't Chinese culturally. They were conquered. > Interesting that you suggested the Yugoslavian "solution" which required a bloody war, in case you'd forgotten It only required a bloody war because the (by then dominated by Serbian nationalists) central government insisted on there being one. In all the Yugoslav republics, secession was peaceful once Belgrade left them in peace. The only exception was Bosnia, and even there it's not a given that it would have blown up the way it did, if Serbia and Croatia weren't already fighting elsewhere.

sho 8y ago

Firstly, it's not "genocide" at all - that's typical hyperbole from a very politically motivated party. His next quote reveals his definition of genocide: > “They want to erase, erase, erase your identity and our culture and to melt them into Han Chinese.” That's quite different, and also accurate. They want them to learn Chinese and acknowledge they live in China. Of course. Interesting that you suggested the Yugoslavian "solution" which required a bloody war, in case you'd forgotten, between ethnic populations of roughly equal sizes and mass displacements. This "solution" could only ever have one outcome if you're seriously suggesting China should simply fight for its land and displace the rebels. That "war" would last roughly until tea time.

cirgue 8y ago
Genocide is the systematic dismantling of an ethnic identity. It doesn’t definitionally include killing.
- cjhopman 8y ago
  That's a rather liberal definition of the word. From brittanica, "Genocide: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people because of their ethnicity, nationality, religion, or race." I don't think "dismantling of an ethnic identity" at all fits into "deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people" unless you weaken "destruction" to mean almost nothing. From wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide), "it has been applied to the Holocaust, and many other mass killings including the genocide of indigenous peoples in the Americas, the Armenian Genocide, the Greek genocide, the Assyrian genocide, the Serbian genocide, the Holodomor, the Indonesian genocide,[6] the Guatemalan genocide, the 1971 Bangladesh genocide, the Cambodian genocide, and after 1980 the Bosnian genocide, the Kurdish genocide, the Darfur genocide, and the Rwandan genocide." All of those examples are actual killings of people, not this new age definition of changing people's opinions about things.
dalbasal 8y ago
Let's not argue about the words themselves. This is pointless. We know what's happening roughly, and it's a terrible thing regardless if what you call it.
int_19h 8y ago
> They want them to learn Chinese and acknowledge they live in China. Of course. Why "of course"? Those people aren't Chinese culturally. They were conquered. > Interesting that you suggested the Yugoslavian "solution" which required a bloody war, in case you'd forgotten It only required a bloody war because the (by then dominated by Serbian nationalists) central government insisted on there being one. In all the Yugoslav republics, secession was peaceful once Belgrade left them in peace. The only exception was Bosnia, and even there it's not a given that it would have blown up the way it did, if Serbia and Croatia weren't already fighting elsewhere.