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One of my friend working for a big tech once told me, if you go back in time, you'll see powerful men had many women. Why do you think at Google it will be any
by choot 8y ago
One of my friend working for a big tech once told me, if you go back in time, you'll see powerful men had many women. Why do you think at Google it will be any different? Being one of the most powerful organizations, it attracts power hungry people. Not only those who want money and fame, but those who want others to submit to them and make others do whatever they want. Cleary such people see sexual harassment in similar way as coercing a small startup to be acquired or be demolished.
Some speculated, efforts to increase diversity is to get executives access to more women.
Half of the women when given a choice between being ghosted or being promoted at a company, will choose to sleep with you in return of promotion/soft cornering etc...(as most of them are liberal and it happens behind the scenes anyways, sex is no longer taboo, Tinder hookup culture is very popular and accepted). Everyone will see your new Tesla and Instagram lifestyle but who will ask who you had slept with to afford this new car and lifestyle? No wonder, executives know this. Very few victims (most don't see themselves as victim but as hackers who gamed the system and ended up with more return) actually retaliate. Most are imposters, who don't believe they are good for anything. So they welcome any favour coming their way.
Executives aren't crazy to film while having sex as some other crazy hookup culture people who you might find on Tinder. Sleeping with them is relatively safe and more rewarding. They've reputation to lose and skin in the game.
Those executives probably slept with 100 employees before they got busted. Surely, they feel it was worth it.
I am simply outlining how the thing works so that people can fix the incentives around this and come up with a better system to fight sexual harassment.
Please don't fight strawman by downvoting because reading this hurts your feelings. Contest point by point, what is your company doing to avoid situations like these?
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- itronitron 8y agoI don't think it is accurate to say that half of women would make that choice. The damaging point of these behaviors is that people begin to assume this is normal when it is not. That is the real tragedy for Google.
- choot 8y agoI am pyscologist, I've consulted enough clients before reaching this conclusion. If you go asking women, if they'll sleep with you for promotion. Answer will be a big NO. Consider asking them who already faced this in real life, what did they choose? I want companies to tackle these dynamics, so we've a much safer and fair playground for everyone.
- tuesdayrain 8y agoIt's very easy for people to say "no of course I would never do that" to a morally ambiguous situation when they're just discussing hypotheticals. When it comes to real life, and the other person is making a serious offer, and there's a good chance no one else will find out...I would expect the answers to be significantly different.
- ingenieros 8y agoIsn't confidentiality a key part of your code of ethics? Why are you posting your clients guarded secrets on a public forum?
- dragonwriter 8y agoConfidentiality doesn't prevent broad generalities based on aggregated experience from being discussed.
- chug 8y agoThis implies women aren't capable of earning success in any way other than trading sexual favors. Also, there's a huge difference in hookup culture and casual flings vs being in a predatory relationship with a huge power imbalance. The "ghosting" and filming comments are very odd by the way. Do you mean women are always ghosted after sex? And that men are worried random Tinder hookups are going to record them? This whole thing reads like women are evil, scheming, worthless manipulators eager to use sex against men and that high powered man pressuring them into sex is somehow a favor since it gives them an opportunity to play out those schemes.
- choot 8y ago> This implies women aren't capable of earning success in any way other than trading sexual favors. No i never implied this. If there is shortcut to top vs 5 additional years of efforts and access to elite club. What do you choose? >The "ghosting" and filming comments are very odd by the way. Do you mean women are always ghosted after sex? You misunderstood my point. If someone refuses to trade sexual favours, they often face retaliation and are ghosted (their presence/efforts are not acknowledged). They get no rewards for their sincere efforts. >And that men are worried random Tinder hookups are going to record them? I am not accusing women of recording them. I am saying that executives don't record victim while having sex. So there is no risk of losing reputation for victim as executive has lot more reputation to lose. No i am painting no one as manipulator. I am explaining the reward/risk dynamics of sexual harassment.
- manicdee 8y agoYou’ll need to back this up with numbers. Not anecdotal evidence from a therapist whose clients are likely to be people who have made questionable choices which is why they are seeing a therapist in the first place … I know plenty of successful women who didn’t sleep their way to the top, and plenty of successful men who didn’t either.
- choot 8y ago> You’ll need to back this up with numbers. I agree, this space needs to be opened up for more research. >I know plenty of successful women who didn’t sleep their way to the top, and plenty of successful men who didn’t either. Do you think people can lie to not playdown their success? Or to make you believe they deserve it. It might be selection bias but i agree we need real numbers here. But opening up a discussion is better to find measures to crack down on sexual harassment.