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> This, my friends, is what we call a tragedy. The next time I hear something about the West harming the planet disproportionally, I'm going to collapse into a
by flukus 8y ago
> This, my friends, is what we call a tragedy. The next time I hear something about the West harming the planet disproportionally, I'm going to collapse into a neutron star.
The west is harming the planet disproportionately. We've been doing it a lot longer, so most of the existing and baked in future warming was produced by the west. Apart from that we still produce a lot more CO2 per capita. The united states alone produces 15% of emissions today. The rest of the world is just trying to catch up to where we are.
The buck doesn't stop there though, a huge chunk of the developing worlds emissions are producing stuff for the west. They aren't responsible for that, we are for buying it.
It seems like you expect the poorest developing countries to lead the way. Has the west become so incapable of actually leading?
- squirrelicus 8y agoYou should look at the impartial nonpartisan data I provided and do simple integration before you claim that, moving forward, the West will be what matters WRT climate change. WRT the past, your "baked in" argument makes no sense and is in any case irrelevant. Moving forward, if the West drops to zero emissions today, the developing world will burn the planet alive, if the climate models are correct.
- flukus 8y ago> You should look at the impartial nonpartisan data I provided and do simple integration before you claim that, moving forward, the West will be what matters WRT climate change. Your source looked at cumulative emissions per country, not per capita, even then the west is way over represented in your own source. > WRT the past, your "baked in" argument makes no sense and is in any case irrelevant. We have 1.5-2 degrees of warming baked in, even if the world stopped pumping out CO2 tomorrow. Most of that is from the West so we are responsible for that. > Moving forward, if the West drops to zero emissions today, the developing world will burn the planet alive, if the climate models are correct. If we drop to zero emissions tomorrow we will have created the technology and the model for the developing world to also get there. That's what leadership is.