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My company is allegedly aligned with Google’s levels here, and people routinely make Senior within 4 years. Spending more than 2 years at Eng I or Eng II is con

My company is allegedly aligned with Google’s levels here, and people routinely make Senior within 4 years. Spending more than 2 years at Eng I or Eng II is considered a cause for serious concern. So T4 after 16 years is very surprising. Something is off.

morgante 8y ago
It is not especially unusual for industry hires (even those with plenty of experience) to come in at T4 for Google. Being productive and effective within Google is an additional skill which is not identical to the outside, so it's a risk avoidance measure on both sides. Assuming your experience translates well, people frequently go for promo within a year or two.
- vonmoltke 8y ago
  > Being productive and effective within Google is an additional skill which is not identical to the outside I don't buy that. I get that Google has a whole lot of proprietary stuff they have built their business on, but being in that situation is not unique to Google. > Assuming your experience translates well, people frequently go for promo within a year or two. If that's the case, I'm not going to feel bad rejecting this offer.
joshuamorton 8y ago
If you don't work at one of a small list of companies (I've said elsewhere that "Facebook" would be a decent approximation, but Amazon or MS could count in some cases), you'll be downleveled when joining Google.
ccdev 8y ago
>Spending more than 2 years at Eng I or Eng II is considered a cause for serious concern. Is this just for within Google or also from Google's perspective of hires from elsewhere? Because I have to admit I have not been past mid-level (which I guess is the Eng II equivalent) for over five years. I have 10 years experience in my career and never held a senior position, officially. Do I miss out a lot in seniority by just being a permatemp and contractor for small shops?
pascalxus 8y ago
I thought it happens quite regularly. I mean, I have about 16 years of experience and am still a Level 3 (but not a FAANG)

morgante 8y ago

It is not especially unusual for industry hires (even those with plenty of experience) to come in at T4 for Google. Being productive and effective within Google is an additional skill which is not identical to the outside, so it's a risk avoidance measure on both sides. Assuming your experience translates well, people frequently go for promo within a year or two.

vonmoltke 8y ago
> Being productive and effective within Google is an additional skill which is not identical to the outside I don't buy that. I get that Google has a whole lot of proprietary stuff they have built their business on, but being in that situation is not unique to Google. > Assuming your experience translates well, people frequently go for promo within a year or two. If that's the case, I'm not going to feel bad rejecting this offer.

joshuamorton 8y ago

If you don't work at one of a small list of companies (I've said elsewhere that "Facebook" would be a decent approximation, but Amazon or MS could count in some cases), you'll be downleveled when joining Google.

ccdev 8y ago

>Spending more than 2 years at Eng I or Eng II is considered a cause for serious concern. Is this just for within Google or also from Google's perspective of hires from elsewhere? Because I have to admit I have not been past mid-level (which I guess is the Eng II equivalent) for over five years. I have 10 years experience in my career and never held a senior position, officially. Do I miss out a lot in seniority by just being a permatemp and contractor for small shops?

pascalxus 8y ago

I thought it happens quite regularly. I mean, I have about 16 years of experience and am still a Level 3 (but not a FAANG)