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> I tried in the past to get access to actual raw data so I can play with it, and draw my own conclusions, but all I got was always many levels above the raw da
by mturmon 8y ago
> I tried in the past to get access to actual raw data so I can play with it, and draw my own conclusions, but all I got was always many levels above the raw data.
I don't think you want to hear this, but: Do this if you want to goof around, but not if you want to reach a legitimate conclusion.
People spend their whole time in grad school learning how to analyze such data. It's easy to fall into simple pitfalls (like ignoring known calibration issues) without that kind of intense training. (This is true of any scientific measurement.)
And further, people who spend their careers on this have the benefit of critique of their initial results from their colleagues. Some of these errors are caught in conference posters and in peer review.
The best place for a determined amateur like you (or me) to start is the recently-completed National Climate Assessment: https://science2017.globalchange.gov https://science2017.globalchange.gov . That will point you back into the primary literature. The amount of experience and judgement that went into that report is not something an amateur (even a very determined/intelligent one) can approach.
As a point of comparison, consider the story of Berkeley Earth (http://berkeleyearth.org/about/ http://berkeleyearth.org/about/), which was started by skeptics but ended up reaching conclusions about rising temperatures similar to the ordinary climate science consensus. Will you be in a position to do better?
Source: I work with a couple of co-authors of sections of the IPCC and NCA reports.
- credit_guy 8y agoWell, I'm a quant. I do know quite a lot about statistical pitfalls. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't do any mistakes if I look and analyze the data myself, but if I do and I engage people like the HN community, my mistakes will be pointed out, and it will be a learning experience, and I'll be able to progress towards a better understanding. And to be honest, I do think it's more likely than not that the global temperatures have been rising. But again, it would be nice to know you can access the data, and be able to whip out a jupiter notebook and do some sanity checks on it.
- mturmon 8y agoThe HN community knows a lot, but not about Earth science. (Although there are some astrophysicists here.) I have a PhD in a statistical field, and I work with PhD statisticians analyzing Earth science data. When things about interpreting results, or choosing appropriate data, come up...we talk to a domain scientist. So I’d suggest thinking about a way to do that, if you care about the validity of your conclusions. And, as I suggested earlier, a literature review, starting with the overview reports.
- credit_guy 8y agoThanks for the link to Berkeley Earth. I did not know about it. It appears to be exactly what I was looking for.