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Hi, I'm one the makers of Levels.fyi. Happy to answer any questions and would love to hear feedback! We have a lot of features in the coming months that we thin

by Zaheer 8y ago

Hi, I'm one the makers of Levels.fyi. Happy to answer any questions and would love to hear feedback! We have a lot of features in the coming months that we think folks will love!

xeromal 8y ago
Clicking around on the page adds to the tab's history. I had to click back 10x to go back to this thread. Seems kind of pointless to record state in this usecase?
- Zaheer 8y ago
  Re Browser history hijack: this was bug introduced with a recent change. We're on it - apologies for the inconvenience!
  - Zaheer 8y ago
    Update: Fixed!
NKosmatos 8y ago
Hi and thanks for the info. A couple of things if I may. Please don’t hijack the browser history, played around with some companies and levels and when I tried coming back to HN the history was full ;-) Also it would be good if you could include some extra details about each level (e.g. education, years of experience). I think I’ll give Triplebyte a try, reminds me of HackerRank.
- Zaheer 8y ago
  Good feedback. The browser history was a bug introduced from recent change in last few days. We're on it. Regarding additional details on each level, although there is some correlation between years of experience and level, it actually isn't very strong. A better indication is typically responsibilities / scope of impact which we are working on defining more clearly. Thanks for the feedback!
  - Zaheer 8y ago
    Update: fixed!
null000 8y ago
Interesting site - it's nice to have such straightforward compensation numbers. Worth mentioning, though - several tech companies intentionally and transparently attempt to pay more for some locations. My company, for instance, pays way more if you're in Silicon Valley than pretty much anywhere else. It'd be nice aggregate, summarize, and compare companies based on a single location.
- Zaheer 8y ago
  We're working on ability to filter by location more easily. More of a UX challenge than data challenge since we have data for other regions already. Still need to think through how to present this cleanly without over cluttering the site. Thanks for the feedback!
malvosenior 8y ago
Hi, thanks for making such a helpful site! My feedback would be: * Would love to see the salary numbers without clicking for easy comparison * I don't like how clicking around fills my browser history and adds back button clicks
- Zaheer 8y ago
  We have a dedicated page for compensation information: https://www.levels.fyi/comp.html https://www.levels.fyi/comp.html There's also a short url: www.comp.fyi :)
  - malvosenior 8y ago
    Oh, great! It's nice to see them all side by side like that.
ummonk 8y ago
I've been using levels.fyi and really liking it. It provides much more useful data than paysa. I strongly believe the economy needs a functioning free labor market, and price discovery is crucial to any free market. The main feature I'd like to see is information on typical refreshers. Also useful would be a way to just get a list of companies sorted by comp at a given approximate level. Additionally, information about refreshers and career trajectories at different companies would be nice too, for evaluating medium-long term prospects of working at any given company (e.g. I've read anecdotes that Apple offers more generous refreshers than most companies). I'd also like to see data on equity aggregated across small-medium startups, perhaps as a function of valuation, employee number, employee experience and time since last valuation. AngelList has some data about listed equity but it's very broad, and I'd like for some actual data of the sort that startups privately share with each other but keep secret from employees / job-seekers. Edit: It would also be cool if you guys can get some companies to post job ads with compensation ranges included for the posted levels. It would be useful for everyone involved; it would help candidates avoid needlessly applying to companies that can't match their desired comp, help out companies that offer competitive comp in sourcing candidates, and add more revenue for you guys as well.
- Zaheer 8y ago
  Thanks for the feedback! We've been currently been heads down working on adding account functionality so that folks can start reviewing companies / teams within companies. As soon as that's out (next few weeks) we're hoping to work on more granular compensation information as well!
Pfhreak 8y ago
Consider adding non-binary genders to the comp reporting. Something as simple as 'other' or 'non-binary' would be nice. The challenges that non-binary folks face can sometimes be different, and it might be nice to see that reflected in the comp tool. Edit: I wouldn't ask, except that the tool already asks for gender. If you are already asking for a gender, you should consider include options beyond male/female. Curious about the downvotes without responses. Tech has people who are non-binary, whose salary negotiations may be impacted by that, and who may struggle to find data that represents them.
- amoshi 8y ago
  Fitting username.
  - andrewem 8y ago
    I've downvoted this because it seems like you're trying to be insulting to this person on the basis of an assumption about their gender. That doesn't seem worthy of HN.
- malmsteen 8y ago
  There's barely enough data to make statistic over the whole population in his website i'm not sure it would make sense to isolate specific minority who would have like 1% of the already little data... i'd be more into removing the male / female distinction overall in the website
- Zaheer 8y ago
  Good feedback, we'll get this added shortly. We added gender recently based on feedback to highlight the gender wage gap. Agree that non-binary folks may experience another set of challenges and will be good to see the data.
  - Pfhreak 8y ago
    Thanks, who knows if enough non-binary folks will report, but I appreciate you taking the feedback!
phd514 8y ago
I added my comp at one of the listed companies a couple weeks back and it never showed up in your list. I'm not sure if there are bugs in your front end or lots of false negatives in your spam filtering or what. I'm happy to contribute to such an effort but not to the point where I have to figure out how to game your submission process.
- Zaheer 8y ago
  Apologies - this shouldn't happen. Are you sure it never made it on the site? The comp page takes ~5 minutes to refresh new submissions.
returnInfinity 8y ago
Adobe is missing
bronxbomber92 8y ago
Thanks for putting this site together! Two pieces of feedback: 1. It would be valuable to ask for years at company and years in industry along with the reported compensation. 2. When reporting my compensation, how should I account for additional bonuses/RSUs due to being promoted? (E.g. climbing a level). I historically receive an additional 100k grant when I’ve been promoted, but I don’t anticipate that 100k on non-promotion years.
- Zaheer 8y ago
  1. We actually do ask for this - it's toward the end of the form. :) Click the '+' on the left side of the row to show it. 2. The main Total Compensation field is per-year and the simplest way is to look at your W2. For RSUs / bonus we recommend taking the average amount you receive per year
freyir 8y ago
Why don’t the numbers always add up? A Tesla P3 engineer lists his or her base as $130k, stock grant as $150k and TC is listed as as $168,000? Does it not check whether the numbers make sense?
- shanghaiaway 8y ago
  Stock grant over 4 years, TC is per year.
ryandrake 8y ago
Do you believe that self-reported salary data will be biased either high or low? Do you attempt to measure bias? How do you account for the difference between the salaries reported on your site and the averages/medians published by salary.com and glassdoor.com? Is it that your site only focuses on outlier (top) companies? Any plans to add "Project Manager" role?

by Zaheer 8y ago

Hi, I'm one the makers of Levels.fyi. Happy to answer any questions and would love to hear feedback! We have a lot of features in the coming months that we think folks will love!

xeromal 8y ago

Clicking around on the page adds to the tab's history. I had to click back 10x to go back to this thread. Seems kind of pointless to record state in this usecase?

Zaheer 8y ago
Re Browser history hijack: this was bug introduced with a recent change. We're on it - apologies for the inconvenience!
- Zaheer 8y ago
  Update: Fixed!

NKosmatos 8y ago

Hi and thanks for the info. A couple of things if I may. Please don’t hijack the browser history, played around with some companies and levels and when I tried coming back to HN the history was full ;-) Also it would be good if you could include some extra details about each level (e.g. education, years of experience). I think I’ll give Triplebyte a try, reminds me of HackerRank.

Zaheer 8y ago
Good feedback. The browser history was a bug introduced from recent change in last few days. We're on it. Regarding additional details on each level, although there is some correlation between years of experience and level, it actually isn't very strong. A better indication is typically responsibilities / scope of impact which we are working on defining more clearly. Thanks for the feedback!
- Zaheer 8y ago
  Update: fixed!

null000 8y ago

Interesting site - it's nice to have such straightforward compensation numbers. Worth mentioning, though - several tech companies intentionally and transparently attempt to pay more for some locations. My company, for instance, pays way more if you're in Silicon Valley than pretty much anywhere else. It'd be nice aggregate, summarize, and compare companies based on a single location.

Zaheer 8y ago
We're working on ability to filter by location more easily. More of a UX challenge than data challenge since we have data for other regions already. Still need to think through how to present this cleanly without over cluttering the site. Thanks for the feedback!

malvosenior 8y ago

Hi, thanks for making such a helpful site! My feedback would be: * Would love to see the salary numbers without clicking for easy comparison * I don't like how clicking around fills my browser history and adds back button clicks

Zaheer 8y ago
We have a dedicated page for compensation information: https://www.levels.fyi/comp.html https://www.levels.fyi/comp.html There's also a short url: www.comp.fyi :)
- malvosenior 8y ago
  Oh, great! It's nice to see them all side by side like that.

ummonk 8y ago

I've been using levels.fyi and really liking it. It provides much more useful data than paysa. I strongly believe the economy needs a functioning free labor market, and price discovery is crucial to any free market. The main feature I'd like to see is information on typical refreshers. Also useful would be a way to just get a list of companies sorted by comp at a given approximate level. Additionally, information about refreshers and career trajectories at different companies would be nice too, for evaluating medium-long term prospects of working at any given company (e.g. I've read anecdotes that Apple offers more generous refreshers than most companies). I'd also like to see data on equity aggregated across small-medium startups, perhaps as a function of valuation, employee number, employee experience and time since last valuation. AngelList has some data about listed equity but it's very broad, and I'd like for some actual data of the sort that startups privately share with each other but keep secret from employees / job-seekers. Edit: It would also be cool if you guys can get some companies to post job ads with compensation ranges included for the posted levels. It would be useful for everyone involved; it would help candidates avoid needlessly applying to companies that can't match their desired comp, help out companies that offer competitive comp in sourcing candidates, and add more revenue for you guys as well.

Zaheer 8y ago
Thanks for the feedback! We've been currently been heads down working on adding account functionality so that folks can start reviewing companies / teams within companies. As soon as that's out (next few weeks) we're hoping to work on more granular compensation information as well!

Pfhreak 8y ago

Consider adding non-binary genders to the comp reporting. Something as simple as 'other' or 'non-binary' would be nice. The challenges that non-binary folks face can sometimes be different, and it might be nice to see that reflected in the comp tool. Edit: I wouldn't ask, except that the tool already asks for gender. If you are already asking for a gender, you should consider include options beyond male/female. Curious about the downvotes without responses. Tech has people who are non-binary, whose salary negotiations may be impacted by that, and who may struggle to find data that represents them.

amoshi 8y ago
Fitting username.
- andrewem 8y ago
  I've downvoted this because it seems like you're trying to be insulting to this person on the basis of an assumption about their gender. That doesn't seem worthy of HN.
malmsteen 8y ago
There's barely enough data to make statistic over the whole population in his website i'm not sure it would make sense to isolate specific minority who would have like 1% of the already little data... i'd be more into removing the male / female distinction overall in the website
Zaheer 8y ago
Good feedback, we'll get this added shortly. We added gender recently based on feedback to highlight the gender wage gap. Agree that non-binary folks may experience another set of challenges and will be good to see the data.
- Pfhreak 8y ago
  Thanks, who knows if enough non-binary folks will report, but I appreciate you taking the feedback!

phd514 8y ago

I added my comp at one of the listed companies a couple weeks back and it never showed up in your list. I'm not sure if there are bugs in your front end or lots of false negatives in your spam filtering or what. I'm happy to contribute to such an effort but not to the point where I have to figure out how to game your submission process.

Zaheer 8y ago
Apologies - this shouldn't happen. Are you sure it never made it on the site? The comp page takes ~5 minutes to refresh new submissions.

returnInfinity 8y ago

Adobe is missing

bronxbomber92 8y ago

Thanks for putting this site together! Two pieces of feedback: 1. It would be valuable to ask for years at company and years in industry along with the reported compensation. 2. When reporting my compensation, how should I account for additional bonuses/RSUs due to being promoted? (E.g. climbing a level). I historically receive an additional 100k grant when I’ve been promoted, but I don’t anticipate that 100k on non-promotion years.

Zaheer 8y ago
1. We actually do ask for this - it's toward the end of the form. :) Click the '+' on the left side of the row to show it. 2. The main Total Compensation field is per-year and the simplest way is to look at your W2. For RSUs / bonus we recommend taking the average amount you receive per year

freyir 8y ago

Why don’t the numbers always add up? A Tesla P3 engineer lists his or her base as $130k, stock grant as $150k and TC is listed as as $168,000? Does it not check whether the numbers make sense?

shanghaiaway 8y ago
Stock grant over 4 years, TC is per year.

ryandrake 8y ago

Do you believe that self-reported salary data will be biased either high or low? Do you attempt to measure bias? How do you account for the difference between the salaries reported on your site and the averages/medians published by salary.com and glassdoor.com? Is it that your site only focuses on outlier (top) companies? Any plans to add "Project Manager" role?