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I have a serious question: why don't governments impose sanctions on other governments that hack them when there is sufficient proof?

lechiffre10 8y ago
Most likely because they all do it
dclowd9901 8y ago
You don’t think some part of the tariffs is because of this?
- phyller 8y ago
  It is, I have no idea why you have been downvoted
moltar 8y ago
Because that would be hypocritical. Most likely all large governments try to hack other governments.
- gilrain 8y ago
  Exactly, and, as we all know, hypocritical crimes are treated very seriously by very toothful U.N.
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forapurpose 8y ago
Here's a few ways of thinking about it: 1. Escalation, the instinctive response of angry humans, is generally a bad idea in international relations (or any relations). I once read a veteran practitioner express it this way: 'The job of international relations is to prevent a B-level problem from becoming an A-level one'. The U.S. and China, for example, have a very large number of interactions on an enormous number of issues; if someone retaliated every time they were unhappy - and then of course the other side would re-retaliate - that would be all that was happening, lots of treasure would be wasted, war would be risked, and positive things wouldn't get done. That doesn't mean that you do nothing, but you need to respond in a way that doesn't escalate the situation - it's not always easy to thread that needle, but that's what the professionals are there for. Another reason retaliation is bad is that it puts the other side in control of your actions - they can provoke you into doing what suits them, when it suits them. You want to act at the time and place and using the means that best suits you, not dance to their tune. 2. The U.S. does take action against them, but not in public. This helps prevent escalation - the Chinese government isn't publicly challenged and forced to respond. 3. Espionage is, in one sense, like a state of war. The U.S. is already doing all they can to shut down Chinese espionage and to spy on China, and vice versa. China isn't breaking any rules in the context of espionage (AFAIK), and if the U.S. could do more, they'd already be doing it.
qubax 8y ago
Because every government hacks, spies on and steals from every other government. The US was built on stealing tech from britain. https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-02-18/us-complains-other-nations-are-stealing-us-technology-america-has-history https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-02-18/us-complains-other-na... Going back even further, the byzantine empire stole silkworms to break china's monopoly on silk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling_of_silkworm_eggs_into_the_Byzantine_Empire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling_of_silkworm_eggs_int... As a matter of fact, the biggest spies and thieves in the world are allies. Do you know who spies on the US the most? It's not china. It's not russia. It's actually canada, britain and israel. Do you know who we spy on the most? Our allies. We aren't going to sanction our allies. Think about it. Why do countries have intelligence agencies? Should we sanction all countries with intelligence agencies?

lechiffre10 8y ago

Most likely because they all do it

dclowd9901 8y ago

You don’t think some part of the tariffs is because of this?

phyller 8y ago
It is, I have no idea why you have been downvoted

moltar 8y ago

Because that would be hypocritical. Most likely all large governments try to hack other governments.

gilrain 8y ago
Exactly, and, as we all know, hypocritical crimes are treated very seriously by very toothful U.N.

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forapurpose 8y ago

Here's a few ways of thinking about it: 1. Escalation, the instinctive response of angry humans, is generally a bad idea in international relations (or any relations). I once read a veteran practitioner express it this way: 'The job of international relations is to prevent a B-level problem from becoming an A-level one'. The U.S. and China, for example, have a very large number of interactions on an enormous number of issues; if someone retaliated every time they were unhappy - and then of course the other side would re-retaliate - that would be all that was happening, lots of treasure would be wasted, war would be risked, and positive things wouldn't get done. That doesn't mean that you do nothing, but you need to respond in a way that doesn't escalate the situation - it's not always easy to thread that needle, but that's what the professionals are there for. Another reason retaliation is bad is that it puts the other side in control of your actions - they can provoke you into doing what suits them, when it suits them. You want to act at the time and place and using the means that best suits you, not dance to their tune. 2. The U.S. does take action against them, but not in public. This helps prevent escalation - the Chinese government isn't publicly challenged and forced to respond. 3. Espionage is, in one sense, like a state of war. The U.S. is already doing all they can to shut down Chinese espionage and to spy on China, and vice versa. China isn't breaking any rules in the context of espionage (AFAIK), and if the U.S. could do more, they'd already be doing it.

qubax 8y ago

Because every government hacks, spies on and steals from every other government. The US was built on stealing tech from britain. https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-02-18/us-complains-other-nations-are-stealing-us-technology-america-has-history https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-02-18/us-complains-other-na... Going back even further, the byzantine empire stole silkworms to break china's monopoly on silk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling_of_silkworm_eggs_into_the_Byzantine_Empire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling_of_silkworm_eggs_int... As a matter of fact, the biggest spies and thieves in the world are allies. Do you know who spies on the US the most? It's not china. It's not russia. It's actually canada, britain and israel. Do you know who we spy on the most? Our allies. We aren't going to sanction our allies. Think about it. Why do countries have intelligence agencies? Should we sanction all countries with intelligence agencies?