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To clarify, the reason I prefer nodejs (for web apps) over clojure these days is the vast amount of libs and documentation for almost all your needs. Clojure ha

To clarify, the reason I prefer nodejs (for web apps) over clojure these days is the vast amount of libs and documentation for almost all your needs. Clojure has the java ecosystem, but it was very tedious (more cognitive load) investing lots of time doing interop instead of just focusing on the problem at hand. Interop is both a feature and a curse. Of course, as a language I find Clojure superior in almost every way compared to JS.

paulie_a 8y ago
Honestly the vast amount of libs is the reason I don't like nodejs. It's a lot of shoddy duplicates.
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yogthos 8y ago
You can use ClojureScript on top of Node. My team started using Node for some services, and I published Macchiato based on that https://macchiato-framework.github.io/ https://macchiato-framework.github.io/
- cutler 8y ago
  I like the idea behind Macchiato but unlike it's Clojure cousin, Luminus, there doesn't seem to be any documentation on database access. I especially like HugSQL in Luminus. Is it possible to use it with Macchiato?
  - yogthos 8y ago
    There is macchiato-sql [1] which is modeled on HugSQL. I've used it for a couple of projects, but YMMV. I tend to use sequelizejs since it works with most databases and it's well documented. [1] https://github.com/macchiato-framework/macchiato-sql https://github.com/macchiato-framework/macchiato-sql
    - cutler 8y ago
      Bejesus, Sequelize.js is a LOT more work than HugSQL. I keep looking at Macchiato but without a Clojurescript database layer I can't see it being useful.
      - yogthos 8y ago
        I mean if you're on Node, it's not going to be any better with plain Js either. Stuff like this is precisely why I prefer the JVM ecosystem myself.
CyberSun 8y ago
> Clojure has the java ecosystem, but it was very tedious (more cognitive load) investing lots of time doing interop instead of just focusing on the problem at hand. I suspect you have no JVM/Java experience? Because I do, and I don't in NodeJS, and I find the reverse to be true in my case.

paulie_a 8y ago

Honestly the vast amount of libs is the reason I don't like nodejs. It's a lot of shoddy duplicates.

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yogthos 8y ago

You can use ClojureScript on top of Node. My team started using Node for some services, and I published Macchiato based on that https://macchiato-framework.github.io/ https://macchiato-framework.github.io/

cutler 8y ago
I like the idea behind Macchiato but unlike it's Clojure cousin, Luminus, there doesn't seem to be any documentation on database access. I especially like HugSQL in Luminus. Is it possible to use it with Macchiato?
- yogthos 8y ago
  There is macchiato-sql [1] which is modeled on HugSQL. I've used it for a couple of projects, but YMMV. I tend to use sequelizejs since it works with most databases and it's well documented. [1] https://github.com/macchiato-framework/macchiato-sql https://github.com/macchiato-framework/macchiato-sql
  - cutler 8y ago
    Bejesus, Sequelize.js is a LOT more work than HugSQL. I keep looking at Macchiato but without a Clojurescript database layer I can't see it being useful.
    - yogthos 8y ago
      I mean if you're on Node, it's not going to be any better with plain Js either. Stuff like this is precisely why I prefer the JVM ecosystem myself.

CyberSun 8y ago

> Clojure has the java ecosystem, but it was very tedious (more cognitive load) investing lots of time doing interop instead of just focusing on the problem at hand. I suspect you have no JVM/Java experience? Because I do, and I don't in NodeJS, and I find the reverse to be true in my case.