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> Stealing secrets from companies for commercial gain is just pathetic. Can't innovate, just hack it and steal it. Learn your history. Everyone does it. Europ

> Stealing secrets from companies for commercial gain is just pathetic. Can't innovate, just hack it and steal it. Learn your history. Everyone does it. Europeans and Americans did it. Now the Chinese are doing. The only reason we're bitching is because now we're the targets instead of the thieves.

paulie_a 8y ago
Do you have any links about about industrial scale hacking for commercial profit by those regions?
- kevinqiu1 8y ago
  https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/06/09/spy-vs-spy-3 https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/06/09/spy-vs-spy-3 Everyone is standing on the shoulders of someone else.
- thereare5lights 8y ago
  Industrial espionage is older than the digital age and is not confined to hacking. It has been happening for centuries and many civilizations have undertaken efforts to take knowledge that was legally protected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling_of_silkworm_eggs_into_the_Byzantine_Empire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling_of_silkworm_eggs_int... https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/porcelain-corporate-espionage-china-missionary-dentrecolles https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/porcelain-corporate-es... Harris, John (1998). Industrial Espionage and Technology Transfer: Britain and France in the Eighteenth Century. Aldershot: Ashgate Publishing Limited. p. 680. ISBN 0-7546-0367-9. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-industrial-espionage-started-americas-cotton-revolution-180967608/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-industrial-esp... https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use-economic-espionage-benefit-american-corporations/ https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use... https://www.the-american-interest.com/2014/12/10/the-new-industrial-espionage/ https://www.the-american-interest.com/2014/12/10/the-new-ind... https://searchinginhistory.blogspot.com/2015/02/francis-cabot-lowell-from-industrial.html https://searchinginhistory.blogspot.com/2015/02/francis-cabo... https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-02-18/us-complains-other-nations-are-stealing-us-technology-america-has-history https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-02-18/us-complains-other-na... https://www.hsdl.org/?view&did=3729 https://www.hsdl.org/?view&did=3729 The fact that we don't hear much about our own examples of stealing other civilization's secrets is just a matter of the fact that we are now ahead. If the tables were turned just like they were in the past, we'd go right back to stealing other people's tech. To say that other people shouldn't do things that we have and would do makes little sense. That isn't to say that we shouldn't protect ourselves, it's just to say that people need to stop the damn moralizing as if we were any better.

paulie_a 8y ago

Do you have any links about about industrial scale hacking for commercial profit by those regions?

kevinqiu1 8y ago
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/06/09/spy-vs-spy-3 https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/06/09/spy-vs-spy-3 Everyone is standing on the shoulders of someone else.
thereare5lights 8y ago
Industrial espionage is older than the digital age and is not confined to hacking. It has been happening for centuries and many civilizations have undertaken efforts to take knowledge that was legally protected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling_of_silkworm_eggs_into_the_Byzantine_Empire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling_of_silkworm_eggs_int... https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/porcelain-corporate-espionage-china-missionary-dentrecolles https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/porcelain-corporate-es... Harris, John (1998). Industrial Espionage and Technology Transfer: Britain and France in the Eighteenth Century. Aldershot: Ashgate Publishing Limited. p. 680. ISBN 0-7546-0367-9. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-industrial-espionage-started-americas-cotton-revolution-180967608/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-industrial-esp... https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use-economic-espionage-benefit-american-corporations/ https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use... https://www.the-american-interest.com/2014/12/10/the-new-industrial-espionage/ https://www.the-american-interest.com/2014/12/10/the-new-ind... https://searchinginhistory.blogspot.com/2015/02/francis-cabot-lowell-from-industrial.html https://searchinginhistory.blogspot.com/2015/02/francis-cabo... https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-02-18/us-complains-other-nations-are-stealing-us-technology-america-has-history https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-02-18/us-complains-other-na... https://www.hsdl.org/?view&did=3729 https://www.hsdl.org/?view&did=3729 The fact that we don't hear much about our own examples of stealing other civilization's secrets is just a matter of the fact that we are now ahead. If the tables were turned just like they were in the past, we'd go right back to stealing other people's tech. To say that other people shouldn't do things that we have and would do makes little sense. That isn't to say that we shouldn't protect ourselves, it's just to say that people need to stop the damn moralizing as if we were any better.