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What are you talking about? That's a ridiculous overgeneralization. There are plenty of things that kids do NOT recover from and we now know that moderate marij

What are you talking about? That's a ridiculous overgeneralization. There are plenty of things that kids do NOT recover from and we now know that moderate marijuana use is NOT one of them. edit: emphasized the double negative to prevent further confusion. It could have been phrased better.

drawkbox 8y ago
> There are plenty of things that kids do not recover from and we now know that moderate marijuana use is not one of them. That is a ridiculous overgeneralization. This article supports the opposite. While it is never good for kids to do drugs (including alcohol, smoking/nicotine or too much caffeine), the article takes the reverse point that you are taking here, cognition quickly improves after which is obvious as it would with alcohol, eating less fast food, doing more homework/study etc. Also, that is a broad generalization to say kids never recover... kids were doing more marijuana in the counter culture of the 60s, did those kids never recover who are now adults? You would be hearing about that if so. What needs to happen to protect kids is full decriminalization and legalization because the legal/regulated market handles harm reduction better than the black market, and does a better job of keeping drugs (including alcohol) away from kids. Alcohol for instance would be more dangerous if it was still black market for both kids and adults. Marijuana is a rare drug in that for users tolerance completely resets as the CB receptors are blocked during heavy usage. > If you continue to consume THC, it will have less of an effect on brain functioning because there are fewer receptors for it to act on Those receptors repair themselves after tolerance reset. > Compared to other recreational drugs, cannabis is unique in the speed at which the brain “recovers” following a period of abstinence. Recovery is notably difficult to measure, but we can look at changes in behavior, brain function, and brain chemical receptor levels as a proxy. > A study of daily cannabis users reported that users had reduced CB1 receptors compared to non-users, which increased to around-normal after just two weeks of abstinence. Importantly, this study didn’t assess whether CB1 receptors remained desensitized. However, additional studies demonstrated that withdrawal is more intense when there are fewer available CB1 receptors for THC to bind, suggesting that tolerance is indeed the internalization of CB1 receptors. > Since internalization of CB1 receptors is the predominant consequence of excessive THC consumption, it helps explain why there’s faster brain recovery with cannabis abstinence than many other drugs of abuse. At worst, CB1 receptors become internalized and broken down, in which case they must be reproduced and sent back up to the cell’s surface to recover normal brain function (it should be noted that there can be additional repercussions with substantial use on other brain chemical systems). Alcohol and fast food cause permanent damage to liver and circulation as well as contribute to obesity. Additionally, cannabis may also help against fatty liver diseases [2] and fatty alcohol liver diseases [3]. [1] https://www.leafly.com/news/science-tech/thc-tolerance-heres-why-t-breaks-work-so-quickly https://www.leafly.com/news/science-tech/thc-tolerance-heres... [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28441459 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28441459 [3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29341392 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29341392
- Analog24 8y ago
  I think you misread what I said, which could have been worded better. > There are plenty of things that kids do NOT recover from and we now know that moderate marijuana use is NOT one of them. i.e. Kids don't recover from everything (as OP stated) but we now know they can recover from moderate marijuana use. The original comment was trying to dismiss this work as trivial, I was trying to prove otherwise. Also, no one made any claim that kid's don't recover from anything. You're arguing with yourself. I'm simply trying to state that having proof that kids can recover (like this paper provides) is necessary. I'm specifically arguing that we shouldn't make overgeneralizations and assumptions without supporting evidence.
  - drawkbox 8y ago
    I misread your statement, sorry about that. I agree though it is nice to have proof, part of the campaign against cannabis and safer decriminalized markets / regulated markets is about harm to kids, which would be better served in a legal / regulated market where more harm reduction is employed.
    - Analog24 8y ago
      I completely agree. I'm pretty sure we share similar views on this. Sorry for my confusing comment at the start, I'll choose my wording more carefully next time :)
ashelmire 8y ago
This article is quite literally about how adolescents quickly recover from regular marijuana use.
- Analog24 8y ago
  ...I'm well aware of that. The original comment stated that kids recover from everything and this study was a tautology. I'm saying that this is not true. edit: it's clear my comment was confusing b/c there's a double negative. Reread it with emphasis on the NOT's.
nashashmi 8y ago
I wish that you told me what kinds of things don't kids recover from. Physical muscles, check! Mental cognition, check! Emotional therapy, check. Attitude adjustment, check. What's left? Hunger? Poverty? Love? Addiction? Depression? It's debatable whether the child really did recover or just get stronger in a different way.
- Analog24 8y ago
  Is this a joke? Are you actually trying to defend your over generalization by pretending a handful of issues is a comprehensive list? Please explain to me how a child suffering from diabetes or fetal alcohol syndrome is really just "getting strong[er] in a different way".

drawkbox 8y ago

> There are plenty of things that kids do not recover from and we now know that moderate marijuana use is not one of them. That is a ridiculous overgeneralization. This article supports the opposite. While it is never good for kids to do drugs (including alcohol, smoking/nicotine or too much caffeine), the article takes the reverse point that you are taking here, cognition quickly improves after which is obvious as it would with alcohol, eating less fast food, doing more homework/study etc. Also, that is a broad generalization to say kids never recover... kids were doing more marijuana in the counter culture of the 60s, did those kids never recover who are now adults? You would be hearing about that if so. What needs to happen to protect kids is full decriminalization and legalization because the legal/regulated market handles harm reduction better than the black market, and does a better job of keeping drugs (including alcohol) away from kids. Alcohol for instance would be more dangerous if it was still black market for both kids and adults. Marijuana is a rare drug in that for users tolerance completely resets as the CB receptors are blocked during heavy usage. > If you continue to consume THC, it will have less of an effect on brain functioning because there are fewer receptors for it to act on Those receptors repair themselves after tolerance reset. > Compared to other recreational drugs, cannabis is unique in the speed at which the brain “recovers” following a period of abstinence. Recovery is notably difficult to measure, but we can look at changes in behavior, brain function, and brain chemical receptor levels as a proxy. > A study of daily cannabis users reported that users had reduced CB1 receptors compared to non-users, which increased to around-normal after just two weeks of abstinence. Importantly, this study didn’t assess whether CB1 receptors remained desensitized. However, additional studies demonstrated that withdrawal is more intense when there are fewer available CB1 receptors for THC to bind, suggesting that tolerance is indeed the internalization of CB1 receptors. > Since internalization of CB1 receptors is the predominant consequence of excessive THC consumption, it helps explain why there’s faster brain recovery with cannabis abstinence than many other drugs of abuse. At worst, CB1 receptors become internalized and broken down, in which case they must be reproduced and sent back up to the cell’s surface to recover normal brain function (it should be noted that there can be additional repercussions with substantial use on other brain chemical systems). Alcohol and fast food cause permanent damage to liver and circulation as well as contribute to obesity. Additionally, cannabis may also help against fatty liver diseases [2] and fatty alcohol liver diseases [3]. [1] https://www.leafly.com/news/science-tech/thc-tolerance-heres-why-t-breaks-work-so-quickly https://www.leafly.com/news/science-tech/thc-tolerance-heres... [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28441459 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28441459 [3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29341392 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29341392

Analog24 8y ago
I think you misread what I said, which could have been worded better. > There are plenty of things that kids do NOT recover from and we now know that moderate marijuana use is NOT one of them. i.e. Kids don't recover from everything (as OP stated) but we now know they can recover from moderate marijuana use. The original comment was trying to dismiss this work as trivial, I was trying to prove otherwise. Also, no one made any claim that kid's don't recover from anything. You're arguing with yourself. I'm simply trying to state that having proof that kids can recover (like this paper provides) is necessary. I'm specifically arguing that we shouldn't make overgeneralizations and assumptions without supporting evidence.
- drawkbox 8y ago
  I misread your statement, sorry about that. I agree though it is nice to have proof, part of the campaign against cannabis and safer decriminalized markets / regulated markets is about harm to kids, which would be better served in a legal / regulated market where more harm reduction is employed.
  - Analog24 8y ago
    I completely agree. I'm pretty sure we share similar views on this. Sorry for my confusing comment at the start, I'll choose my wording more carefully next time :)

ashelmire 8y ago

This article is quite literally about how adolescents quickly recover from regular marijuana use.

Analog24 8y ago
...I'm well aware of that. The original comment stated that kids recover from everything and this study was a tautology. I'm saying that this is not true. edit: it's clear my comment was confusing b/c there's a double negative. Reread it with emphasis on the NOT's.

nashashmi 8y ago

I wish that you told me what kinds of things don't kids recover from. Physical muscles, check! Mental cognition, check! Emotional therapy, check. Attitude adjustment, check. What's left? Hunger? Poverty? Love? Addiction? Depression? It's debatable whether the child really did recover or just get stronger in a different way.

Analog24 8y ago
Is this a joke? Are you actually trying to defend your over generalization by pretending a handful of issues is a comprehensive list? Please explain to me how a child suffering from diabetes or fetal alcohol syndrome is really just "getting strong[er] in a different way".