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One of the reasons I like DuckDuckGo.

by rmg 16y ago

ceejayoz 16y ago
Assuming the government doesn't quietly get a court order forcing them to log and keep silent about it, of course.
- alexandros 16y ago
  In that case, I'd be shocked if Gabriel continued to tout the fact that DDG keeps no logs. Surely a court order can't force him to keep doing that.
  - cdibona 16y ago
    A more interesting observations is that since he processes search through Yahoo's (bings?) BOSS, and BOSS keeps logs...
    - ceejayoz 16y ago
      I'd imagine BOSS is getting his server's IP, though, not the user's.
- epi0Bauqu 16y ago
  I can't see a situation where I could be forced to keep quiet about something like that. And then there is wikileaks or some equivalent. For the record though, I have yet to get a court order about anything.
  - ceejayoz 16y ago
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Letter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Letter > A National Security Letter (NSL) is a form of administrative subpoena used by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation and reportedly by other U.S. Government Agencies including the Central Intelligence Agency and the Department of Defense. It is a demand letter issued to a particular entity or organization to turn over various record and data pertaining to individuals. They require no probable cause or judicial oversight. They also contain a gag order, preventing the recipient of the letter from disclosing that the letter was ever issued. The gag order was later deemed unconstitutional, but that didn't stop them from issuing 200,000 of them.
  - jambo 16y ago
    I like the "warrant canary" idea implemented by rsync.net, but I'm not sure if courts would see ceasing regular announcements as violating a gag order. http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/canary.txt http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/canary.txt
  - maukdaddy 16y ago
    You will eventually. Just wait until a kiddie porn ring is busted and forensics reveal DDG was used to located images. Unfortunately, this kind of situation will happen any time you run a service for the masses.
- tomjen3 16y ago
  That is why you build your system in such a way that you physically _can't_ put a log in it.
  - ceejayoz 16y ago
    And how would you do that? Good luck telling the FBI "oh, I can't change the code on my own system".
    - ikujhygtfghyjuk 16y ago
      Well they managed to tell the governor of california that they couldn't change the code to give themselves a pay cut.

One of the reasons I like DuckDuckGo.

by rmg 16y ago

One of the reasons I like DuckDuckGo.

ceejayoz 16y ago

Assuming the government doesn't quietly get a court order forcing them to log and keep silent about it, of course.

alexandros 16y ago
In that case, I'd be shocked if Gabriel continued to tout the fact that DDG keeps no logs. Surely a court order can't force him to keep doing that.
- cdibona 16y ago
  A more interesting observations is that since he processes search through Yahoo's (bings?) BOSS, and BOSS keeps logs...
  - ceejayoz 16y ago
    I'd imagine BOSS is getting his server's IP, though, not the user's.
epi0Bauqu 16y ago
I can't see a situation where I could be forced to keep quiet about something like that. And then there is wikileaks or some equivalent. For the record though, I have yet to get a court order about anything.
- ceejayoz 16y ago
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Letter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Letter > A National Security Letter (NSL) is a form of administrative subpoena used by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation and reportedly by other U.S. Government Agencies including the Central Intelligence Agency and the Department of Defense. It is a demand letter issued to a particular entity or organization to turn over various record and data pertaining to individuals. They require no probable cause or judicial oversight. They also contain a gag order, preventing the recipient of the letter from disclosing that the letter was ever issued. The gag order was later deemed unconstitutional, but that didn't stop them from issuing 200,000 of them.
- jambo 16y ago
  I like the "warrant canary" idea implemented by rsync.net, but I'm not sure if courts would see ceasing regular announcements as violating a gag order. http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/canary.txt http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/canary.txt
- maukdaddy 16y ago
  You will eventually. Just wait until a kiddie porn ring is busted and forensics reveal DDG was used to located images. Unfortunately, this kind of situation will happen any time you run a service for the masses.
tomjen3 16y ago
That is why you build your system in such a way that you physically _can't_ put a log in it.
- ceejayoz 16y ago
  And how would you do that? Good luck telling the FBI "oh, I can't change the code on my own system".
  - ikujhygtfghyjuk 16y ago
    Well they managed to tell the governor of california that they couldn't change the code to give themselves a pay cut.