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Discussions that change someone's racism or the penchant to mock the disabled generally don't happen on the internet. In person, with friends perhaps, but not o
by lghh 8y ago
Discussions that change someone's racism or the penchant to mock the disabled generally don't happen on the internet. In person, with friends perhaps, but not on faceless forums where people are more likely to double down on opinions in the face of criticism when they are as extreme as racism.
- geezerjay 8y agoModerating discriminatory statements is fundamentally different than censoring a political oponent. More importantly, these utter idiots don't even realize they are creating such profoundly anti-democratic precedents targetting a political rival that is actually contributing to their cause, as now they have very real and very specific examples of how they are being targettend and persecuted for their political views.
- pjc50 8y agoThe argument is that in this case support for Trump is support for discrimination, in a way that's very distinct from "normal" conservativism.
- lghh 8y agoExactly. Saying "I like the recently passed tax cuts" is different than saying "I support President Trump." The first is supporting a conservative policy decision, the second is supporting a person who would be banned from the forums themselves if they talked the way they do in real life as comments on the site.
- ameister14 8y agoI like George Carlin. He'd be banned from most forums - should I be banned for saying I supported his career?
- geezerjay 8y ago> The first is supporting a conservative policy decision, the second is supporting a person who would be banned from the forums themselves No, actually the second is punishing a person just because he presented an opinion on a president that you don't share and for some reason you feel it constitutes grounds to persecute and punish him. This sort of attitude is the hallmark of proper fascist parties and their militants, the kind that goes around wearing matching shirts persecuting those who don't fall in line or god forbid have opposite opinions.
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- geezerjay 8y ago> The argument is that The argument means shit. It's the action that counts, and these idiots decided it was a good idea to atively persecute and censor anything related to a political movement. These morons don't even realize they're setting totalitarian precedents and are so full of themselves to the point they even boast their totalitarian leanings to have any moral basis, just like the textbook fascists from half a century ago did.
- slazaro 8y agoYou might find that people are more receptive to your statements if you didn't use insults along with them.
- geezerjay 8y agoYou have a point. However, my point is that the people behind this persecution and censorship campaign did not thought their plan through or at all, and this sort of persecution will obviously backfire by legitimizing the perception that Trump supporters are actually and inequivocally being targetted just for the crime of supporting a different candidate.
- lghh 8y agoWhat if a political opponent's main platform position and primary rhetorical tactic is to make discriminatory statements? You can't just turn around and say "don't ban me, it's just politics!".
- geezerjay 8y ago> What if a political opponent's main platform position and primary rhetorical tactic is to make discriminatory statements? Censorship is never the solution. Censorship is the problem. Keep censoring idiots instead of demonstrating they are idiots and you end up making them out to be poor democratic martyrs instead. Have they learned nothing from the history of fascist europe?
- badwolf 8y agoA privately owned and operated web forum isn't exactly comparable to fascist Europe. Don't be disingenuous.
- zimpenfish 8y ago> Keep censoring idiots instead of demonstrating they are idiots and you end up making them out to be poor democratic martyrs instead. Trump got far and away the majority of news coverage in the run up to the 2016 election. Everything he said was breathlessly reported, fact checked, and sometimes mocked for its inanity. That did not work out well.
- grigjd3 8y agoReferring to these people as "utter idiots" sure does make you sound reasonable and level headed.
- geezerjay 8y agoThese morons have in fact presented themselves as utter idiots. Brazil just elected a racist cunt because an utter idiot decided that assaulting the candidate was a brilliant idea, but instead made him out to be a persecuted victim. These morons are making the exact same mistake and making Trump supporters to be the persecuted helpless victims of the story. Don't you understand the impact of this sort of idiocy? These morons are making Trump supporters to be the innocent victims that are persecuted by their political views and for supporting a candidate. How is this not a massive blunder?