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...well.... I've been living in a vehicle driving around Africa for 2.5 years now[1]. I'm technically a resident of no country (I have not spent more than 3 mo

by grecy 8y ago

...well.... I've been living in a vehicle driving around Africa for 2.5 years now[1]. I'm technically a resident of no country (I have not spent more than 3 months in a single country in the last 2.5 years, and in all of those I only had a tourist visa where work was strictly prohibited) So I have no loans, and technically don't have to pay tax anywhere. I am not a citizen of the country I was previously residing in, so I have been unable to vote for 15 years, so I would say the government doesn't have much control over me. I would have to renew my passport in another 7 years, but I can do that online and just get it mailed anywhere in the world. I suppose I do pay some bank fees, though those are more than cancelled out by interest. I personally will run out of money and won't be able to do this forever, but I have bumped into hundreds of Germans who have more money than they could spend in 10 lifetimes, and have been driving and roaming around Africa/the entire world for 10+ years, utterly free. It's not uncommon. [1] I'm http://instagram.com/theroadchoseme/ http://instagram.com/theroadchoseme/

Santosh83 8y ago
Interesting. What do you do? Photograph? Research? Just travel to take in the world? How do you handle to language and cultural problems from region to region?
- grecy 8y ago
  I decided that sitting at a desk was not the life for me (Software Engineer), so I'm working on being a Travel Writer and Photographer. I'm currently writing for about eight magazines, just published my first book, etc. Language and culture changes are not problems, they're the very reason I travel. Once I learned enough French the West Coast of Africa was great, and English has been enough in virtually every country in the East so far. I need to learn more Swahili. For Latin America once I learned Spanish I was set for virtually every country I drove through!
  - everdev 8y ago
    This sounds cool and adventurous! If you need a job though, your bosses would be your "master", especially if you need that income to survive. And it certainly sounds like a lot more freedom than most, but the country your van is parked in would be your "master" as well as you are subject to their laws and at the mercy of their justice system. That's how challenging it is to be free of any hierarchy in the modern world.
    - grecy 8y ago
      Like I said, for me the money will probably run out, but I continually bump into people where that is not a problem. They will do this for the rest of their lives. > you are subject to their laws and at the mercy of their justice system. While that's true in theory, in practice there is a hell of a lot of freedom here on the ground. It's extremely rare that I don't do something because "it's illegal" - i.e. riding on the top of a truck with no seat belt, riding a motorbike with no helmet, and basically anything else you would want to be doing. There is a lot of personal freedom in Africa (& Latin America)
      - b5 8y ago
        Where did the money come from for the people who will never have it run out?
        grecy 8y ago
        Some are retired, some have or had businesses, some are just renting out their house they already own. Because driving around the world only costs something around $1500 - $2000 USD /mo, any kind of "good" retirement from a first world country is a LOT more than you can ever realistically spend. You bank account will always go up.
        driverdan 8y ago
        > Because driving around the world only costs something around $1500 - $2000 USD /mo If you're in a smaller vehicle like your Jeep I can see it being under $2000/m. The retired people in giant Unimog overland trucks can spend hundreds per month on fuel alone. Maintenance on those trucks is expensive too.
malvosenior 8y ago
> So I have no loans, and technically don't have to pay tax anywhere. You must not be from the US because we're one of only a handful of countries that require you to pay tax no matter where you live. It's entirely unfair and barbaric but you can expense the taxes you pay in the foreign country if you do it right.
- lifeformed 8y ago
  At least it's only for income past $94k, if I'm not mistaken.
  - caymanjim 8y ago
    It's $97,600 of tax-free income per year. You have to establish that you're not a US resident. The easy way to do this is to spend <33 days per year in the US. The slightly harder way is to establish a "bona fide residence" outside the US, which allows you to spend more than 33 days per year visiting the US, but requires that you sever more ties. In practice, it's not very hard to pull off, if you're genuinely not living in the US. You can also write off some living expenses. It works out to approximately $125k/year that you can earn before you have to pay any tax. You still have to file a federal return, even if you don't owe. If you earn $150k/yr, you pay tax on the ~$25k, at the tax rate for your full salary bracket. Source: Not a lawyer or accountant, but lived and worked overseas for three years, so have done all this. https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/foreign-earned-income-exclusion-bona-fide-residence-test https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/fore...
    - simonebrunozzi 8y ago
      You pay tax above that threshold ONLY IF the taxes you already pay in the country you reside in are LOWER than the ones you would pay in the US (and in that case, you pay the difference). e.g. If you live in Singapore, you end up paying a lot. If you live in Italy or Sweden, you will never pay a dime.
detcader 8y ago
What if one day you learned of an injustice you started really caring about? If you wanted to do some blog writing critical of someone powerful? Would you feel free to speak or associate then?
csomar 8y ago
How dangerous is Africa? How much does it cost to get the car and travel around?
- empath75 8y ago
  I haven't been to africa but i've been to a lot of supposedly 'dangerous' places and most of them are not so bad if you avoid doing the kinds of things that get tourists in trouble (drugs).
  - jklinger410 8y ago
    Or are a woman travelling alone.
    - grecy 8y ago
      Please don't perpetuate the negative myths. I have met multiple women traveling solo in Africa, having the time of their lives. If you're smart, it's fine.
      - DelightOne 8y ago
        > If you're smart, it's fine You just confirmed it’s no myth. Not everybody is smart _all_ the time.
        grecy 8y ago
        I don't believe a smart solo women is in any more danger than a smart solo man. So it's a myth to say "solo women" is a problem. You should say "solo stupid traveler" is a problem.
        rebuilder 8y ago
        It's not that women are a problem. It's that in some places, women are treated badly.
      - 8y ago
DelightOne 8y ago
How do you do health insurance?
ataturk 8y ago
The fact of the matter is that freedom should not be some outlier for people who roam about unanchored, though. This is why I hate leftists and fascists--to them, it is all about controlling others, placing us in our little, one-size-fits all boxes and letting us suffer in chains. They are control freaks. It is about time that we stopped allowing control freaks and social engineers such broad powers of control. That article has everything I want to criticize about modern life--seems like human beings have forgotten what is truly important in life is having no master and we in the West have traded away our rights and freedoms for hollow promises and material goods, neither of which make us happy or elevate our spirits. How do I get started bombing around Africa, I guess? Oh also, the Spanish were real dicks!
dragonwriter 8y ago
> but I have bumped into hundreds of Germans who have more money than they could spend in 10 lifetimes Yes, those people are part of the class of ”masters”, and the money is the means by which they direct others to serve them. (Foregoing members of the “master” class have set up the mechanisms by which control can be applied, and other current members of the class spend some time supervising and directing maintenance of those mechanisms, but there are masters who just use the mechanisms without worrying about them.) Being in the class of masters isn't the same as living in a masterless society.
- gowld 8y ago
  By that definition almost everyone is a master over someone.
- drb91 8y ago
  Only by reducing “master” to nearly meaningless as a distinct term. I’m not sure what the conversation gains from that. Anyway, there was never a claim to a masterless society, only a free individual.
52-6F-62 8y ago
Okay I'll bite: How did you: a) make that transition from SE to writer? b) pack away enough money to cover expenses in between articles— or are they regular enough of a paycheck? If the latter, did you save up a nest egg prior to taking off as well? Also— what's your plan after "the money runs out"? Back to engineering or another kind of writing? In another post you mentioned Vancouver—is that where you're from?
- grecy 8y ago
  > a) make that transition from SE to writer? I just started practicing. Writing and taking photos, blogging, etc. etc. Eventually I thought my stuff was good enough, so I started pitching magazines. I probably got 1 reply for every 20 pitches I send out.. but it's getting better now! > b) pack away enough money to cover expenses in between articles Yep, I saved a nest egg that I'm now spending down slowly. Some months the writing almost covers the trip - and it would if I went slower. I get asked about saving money so often I wrote an eBook about it - "Work Less To Live Your Dreams" - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01G4AL8BE/?tag=trcmyt-20 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01G4AL8BE/?tag=trcmyt-20 > Also— what's your plan after "the money runs out"? Back to engineering or another kind of writing? I hope I don't have to sit at a desk ever again... but if I want to own a house or have a family, maybe it's something I'll have to do at least for a few years. I'm not sure what the future holds right now, though I'd love to build a nice cabin somewhere. > In another post you mentioned Vancouver—is that where you're from? Australia originally, I've been in Canada for 15 years. Whitehorse, Yukon lately which is where I'll go back to. If you have any more questions I'm really happy to help in any way I can, I love demonstrating to others what is possible if you work really hard and set your mind to it. My email is in my profile.
  - 52-6F-62 8y ago
    Thanks! I probably will have more to ask, so I’ll likely take advantage!

by grecy 8y ago

Santosh83 8y ago

Interesting. What do you do? Photograph? Research? Just travel to take in the world? How do you handle to language and cultural problems from region to region?

grecy 8y ago
I decided that sitting at a desk was not the life for me (Software Engineer), so I'm working on being a Travel Writer and Photographer. I'm currently writing for about eight magazines, just published my first book, etc. Language and culture changes are not problems, they're the very reason I travel. Once I learned enough French the West Coast of Africa was great, and English has been enough in virtually every country in the East so far. I need to learn more Swahili. For Latin America once I learned Spanish I was set for virtually every country I drove through!
- everdev 8y ago
  This sounds cool and adventurous! If you need a job though, your bosses would be your "master", especially if you need that income to survive. And it certainly sounds like a lot more freedom than most, but the country your van is parked in would be your "master" as well as you are subject to their laws and at the mercy of their justice system. That's how challenging it is to be free of any hierarchy in the modern world.
  - grecy 8y ago
    Like I said, for me the money will probably run out, but I continually bump into people where that is not a problem. They will do this for the rest of their lives. > you are subject to their laws and at the mercy of their justice system. While that's true in theory, in practice there is a hell of a lot of freedom here on the ground. It's extremely rare that I don't do something because "it's illegal" - i.e. riding on the top of a truck with no seat belt, riding a motorbike with no helmet, and basically anything else you would want to be doing. There is a lot of personal freedom in Africa (& Latin America)
    - b5 8y ago
      Where did the money come from for the people who will never have it run out?
      - grecy 8y ago
        Some are retired, some have or had businesses, some are just renting out their house they already own. Because driving around the world only costs something around $1500 - $2000 USD /mo, any kind of "good" retirement from a first world country is a LOT more than you can ever realistically spend. You bank account will always go up.
        driverdan 8y ago
        > Because driving around the world only costs something around $1500 - $2000 USD /mo If you're in a smaller vehicle like your Jeep I can see it being under $2000/m. The retired people in giant Unimog overland trucks can spend hundreds per month on fuel alone. Maintenance on those trucks is expensive too.

malvosenior 8y ago

> So I have no loans, and technically don't have to pay tax anywhere. You must not be from the US because we're one of only a handful of countries that require you to pay tax no matter where you live. It's entirely unfair and barbaric but you can expense the taxes you pay in the foreign country if you do it right.

lifeformed 8y ago
At least it's only for income past $94k, if I'm not mistaken.
- caymanjim 8y ago
  It's $97,600 of tax-free income per year. You have to establish that you're not a US resident. The easy way to do this is to spend <33 days per year in the US. The slightly harder way is to establish a "bona fide residence" outside the US, which allows you to spend more than 33 days per year visiting the US, but requires that you sever more ties. In practice, it's not very hard to pull off, if you're genuinely not living in the US. You can also write off some living expenses. It works out to approximately $125k/year that you can earn before you have to pay any tax. You still have to file a federal return, even if you don't owe. If you earn $150k/yr, you pay tax on the ~$25k, at the tax rate for your full salary bracket. Source: Not a lawyer or accountant, but lived and worked overseas for three years, so have done all this. https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/foreign-earned-income-exclusion-bona-fide-residence-test https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/fore...
  - simonebrunozzi 8y ago
    You pay tax above that threshold ONLY IF the taxes you already pay in the country you reside in are LOWER than the ones you would pay in the US (and in that case, you pay the difference). e.g. If you live in Singapore, you end up paying a lot. If you live in Italy or Sweden, you will never pay a dime.

detcader 8y ago

What if one day you learned of an injustice you started really caring about? If you wanted to do some blog writing critical of someone powerful? Would you feel free to speak or associate then?

csomar 8y ago

How dangerous is Africa? How much does it cost to get the car and travel around?

empath75 8y ago
I haven't been to africa but i've been to a lot of supposedly 'dangerous' places and most of them are not so bad if you avoid doing the kinds of things that get tourists in trouble (drugs).
- jklinger410 8y ago
  Or are a woman travelling alone.
  - grecy 8y ago
    Please don't perpetuate the negative myths. I have met multiple women traveling solo in Africa, having the time of their lives. If you're smart, it's fine.
    - DelightOne 8y ago
      > If you're smart, it's fine You just confirmed it’s no myth. Not everybody is smart _all_ the time.
      - grecy 8y ago
        I don't believe a smart solo women is in any more danger than a smart solo man. So it's a myth to say "solo women" is a problem. You should say "solo stupid traveler" is a problem.
        rebuilder 8y ago
        It's not that women are a problem. It's that in some places, women are treated badly.
    - 8y ago

DelightOne 8y ago

How do you do health insurance?

ataturk 8y ago

The fact of the matter is that freedom should not be some outlier for people who roam about unanchored, though. This is why I hate leftists and fascists--to them, it is all about controlling others, placing us in our little, one-size-fits all boxes and letting us suffer in chains. They are control freaks. It is about time that we stopped allowing control freaks and social engineers such broad powers of control. That article has everything I want to criticize about modern life--seems like human beings have forgotten what is truly important in life is having no master and we in the West have traded away our rights and freedoms for hollow promises and material goods, neither of which make us happy or elevate our spirits. How do I get started bombing around Africa, I guess? Oh also, the Spanish were real dicks!

dragonwriter 8y ago

> but I have bumped into hundreds of Germans who have more money than they could spend in 10 lifetimes Yes, those people are part of the class of ”masters”, and the money is the means by which they direct others to serve them. (Foregoing members of the “master” class have set up the mechanisms by which control can be applied, and other current members of the class spend some time supervising and directing maintenance of those mechanisms, but there are masters who just use the mechanisms without worrying about them.) Being in the class of masters isn't the same as living in a masterless society.

gowld 8y ago
By that definition almost everyone is a master over someone.
drb91 8y ago
Only by reducing “master” to nearly meaningless as a distinct term. I’m not sure what the conversation gains from that. Anyway, there was never a claim to a masterless society, only a free individual.

52-6F-62 8y ago

Okay I'll bite: How did you: a) make that transition from SE to writer? b) pack away enough money to cover expenses in between articles— or are they regular enough of a paycheck? If the latter, did you save up a nest egg prior to taking off as well? Also— what's your plan after "the money runs out"? Back to engineering or another kind of writing? In another post you mentioned Vancouver—is that where you're from?

grecy 8y ago
> a) make that transition from SE to writer? I just started practicing. Writing and taking photos, blogging, etc. etc. Eventually I thought my stuff was good enough, so I started pitching magazines. I probably got 1 reply for every 20 pitches I send out.. but it's getting better now! > b) pack away enough money to cover expenses in between articles Yep, I saved a nest egg that I'm now spending down slowly. Some months the writing almost covers the trip - and it would if I went slower. I get asked about saving money so often I wrote an eBook about it - "Work Less To Live Your Dreams" - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01G4AL8BE/?tag=trcmyt-20 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01G4AL8BE/?tag=trcmyt-20 > Also— what's your plan after "the money runs out"? Back to engineering or another kind of writing? I hope I don't have to sit at a desk ever again... but if I want to own a house or have a family, maybe it's something I'll have to do at least for a few years. I'm not sure what the future holds right now, though I'd love to build a nice cabin somewhere. > In another post you mentioned Vancouver—is that where you're from? Australia originally, I've been in Canada for 15 years. Whitehorse, Yukon lately which is where I'll go back to. If you have any more questions I'm really happy to help in any way I can, I love demonstrating to others what is possible if you work really hard and set your mind to it. My email is in my profile.
- 52-6F-62 8y ago
  Thanks! I probably will have more to ask, so I’ll likely take advantage!