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You are mistaken, freedom of expression in Hong Kong is on par with what you have in US or Europe. From my own experience, the media is even more independent t

You are mistaken, freedom of expression in Hong Kong is on par with what you have in US or Europe. From my own experience, the media is even more independent than in Europe/US and definitely less of a police state than some parts in the US. Remember Snowden moved to Hong Kong to get his story out.

prolikewh0a 8y ago
I watch a lot of youtube videos from China from people interested in electronics. They're always out and about, shopping, having a great time. It's not the greatest source but it shows me it's really not this total crumbling s&+thole western media makes it out to be. The internet makes China out to be this place where everyone is just always working, have almost no rights anymore, constantly surveiled so they can't have fun or enjoyment, just NPC's making womens underwear for 2 cents an hour. I think it's just projection from the failures of their own country to be honest.
- vackosar 8y ago
  could they be faking the lifestyle?
- hyperbovine 8y ago
  That is a complete red herring. No one on this thread said any of those things. I think the media and internet portrayal of China these days is fairly accurate: a country filled gleaming new cities and hordes of well-off people, and also one in which you can get executed for stealing, disappeared for practicing the wrong religion, and tortured (or worse) for speaking out against the government. Also the fact that you seem to equate shopping with freedom strikes me as very American :-)
rtpg 8y ago
eh, to my knowledge the US gov't hasn't been kidnapping many booksellers in the past decade. And despite a bunch of nasty undemocratic stuff happening in the US, there were a lot of underhanded things going on in recent political events in HK. If Snowden was in HK with Chinese state intelligence (or more likely, details about party leadership scandals), he would not have been able to leave the country unscathed.
- mandelken 8y ago
  > the US gov't hasn't been kidnapping many booksellers in the past decade. Are you serious or just trolling? The US has intervened more than any other country over the last decade. As we speak unmanned US drones are killing and dismembering innocent people. > And despite a bunch of nasty undemocratic stuff happening in the US, there were a lot of underhanded things going on in recent political events in HK. That's why I said on par with US and Europe. HK is not Switzerland, but not the undemocratic hell some are making it to be.

prolikewh0a 8y ago

I watch a lot of youtube videos from China from people interested in electronics. They're always out and about, shopping, having a great time. It's not the greatest source but it shows me it's really not this total crumbling s&+thole western media makes it out to be. The internet makes China out to be this place where everyone is just always working, have almost no rights anymore, constantly surveiled so they can't have fun or enjoyment, just NPC's making womens underwear for 2 cents an hour. I think it's just projection from the failures of their own country to be honest.

vackosar 8y ago
could they be faking the lifestyle?
hyperbovine 8y ago
That is a complete red herring. No one on this thread said any of those things. I think the media and internet portrayal of China these days is fairly accurate: a country filled gleaming new cities and hordes of well-off people, and also one in which you can get executed for stealing, disappeared for practicing the wrong religion, and tortured (or worse) for speaking out against the government. Also the fact that you seem to equate shopping with freedom strikes me as very American :-)

rtpg 8y ago

eh, to my knowledge the US gov't hasn't been kidnapping many booksellers in the past decade. And despite a bunch of nasty undemocratic stuff happening in the US, there were a lot of underhanded things going on in recent political events in HK. If Snowden was in HK with Chinese state intelligence (or more likely, details about party leadership scandals), he would not have been able to leave the country unscathed.

mandelken 8y ago
> the US gov't hasn't been kidnapping many booksellers in the past decade. Are you serious or just trolling? The US has intervened more than any other country over the last decade. As we speak unmanned US drones are killing and dismembering innocent people. > And despite a bunch of nasty undemocratic stuff happening in the US, there were a lot of underhanded things going on in recent political events in HK. That's why I said on par with US and Europe. HK is not Switzerland, but not the undemocratic hell some are making it to be.