> I'll contend that key management is one of the great unsolved problems in software deployment. Docker Swarm and Salt minions are really good examples of how

> I'll contend that key management is one of the great unsolved problems in software deployment. Docker Swarm and Salt minions are really good examples of how it should work from a user interaction standpoint. Let me spin up a dozen or a hundred instances from the same configuration management template without having to seed each one with a secret, or build my own tooling to distribute certs to them. From one central point I approve new joins. Manage the CA and certificates within the cluster, don't expect your customers to do it. Make a big poster for your office that says "Our real customers don't know how to do devops." MySQL took off because dumb people like me can get it to work. Thanks for listening.