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"Technology is exciting, but people are awful, and they keep finding the worst ways to apply it." (the way the verge introduced the third series of black mirror

"Technology is exciting, but people are awful, and they keep finding the worst ways to apply it." (the way the verge introduced the third series of black mirror.) i think applies to this scenario as well. personally i think the internet has outgrown it's "flower power" stage so we either should adjust our sentiment or do something about it

core-questions 8y ago
Consider a world where the speech that you believe in is being censored by governments and corporate powers. Would you not want there to be some protection for your ability to speak truth to power? You may disagree with the people who are doing this now, but that doesn't mean that censorship is the correct way to solve the problem. It's not going to make any of them change their minds. > we either should adjust our sentiment or do something about it What are you implying?
- wickedOne 8y ago
  that already is the world we live in: i think every law that constitutes the right to free speech comes with limitations, so regardless there are certain rules you're expected to abide to. i'm not saying i disagree with anyone or that we should censor everything on the internet, i'm just saying that the internet is no longer that obscure thing where everything is rainbows and unicorns and has become of big corporate and political interest. so we _should_ excpect it to be like the newspaper, the television, the pamflets in your mailbox, etc. (re: "I cannot tell you how sad that is to write, because when I first saw the internet way back when, I hoped that it would help eliminate the attitudes that had fueled those horrible letters to me. I naïvely thought a lone man sending a reporter a missive of malevolence could not find such refuge on the wide-open internet, where his hate would be seen for what it was and denounced and exorcised"): lies and ways to steer you have become part of the game and it's up to you to see through that. at this point "do something about it", i think, has boiled down to "delete the internet".
  - core-questions 8y ago
    > so we _should_ excpect it to be like the newspaper, the television, the pamflets in your mailbox, etc You want the internet to degrade to a centrally-controlled, one-way medium rather than enabling the kind of dialogue you and I are having right now? > lies and ways to steer you have become part of the game and it's up to you to see through that. This is arguably how it has always been. Never before have we had such great resources to see through things. Sometimes, what we end up seeing makes us uncomfortable, because the world isn't as nice as we would like for it to be. We can either accept truths and work to change them to be better, or accept pleasant fictions and outright lies to spare ourselves. Deleting the internet won't solve any of these issues. Well, it might help teen bullying some....
    - wickedOne 8y ago
      > You want the internet to degrade to a centrally-controlled, one-way medium rather than enabling the kind of dialogue you and I are having right now? quite the opposite actually. i think we should be skeptic about the things we read on the internet and steer away from the "it must be true if it's on wikipedia" mentality. so _do_ your research if it's concerning a sbject you feel passionate about and _do_ engage in discussions and stay open minded. most of us consume content rather than generating it and as the internet has become of such great interest to big companies and governments, parts of the (news) information we consume is biased and sometimes plain false, just like it is in the offline world. > Never before have we had such great resources to see through things absolutely true, but people have to be willing to see through things / be skeptic. i think (assumption) the largest part of the people using the internet do not question what they read and are not likely to do so in the future, hence my suggestion to "delete the internet"...

core-questions 8y ago

Consider a world where the speech that you believe in is being censored by governments and corporate powers. Would you not want there to be some protection for your ability to speak truth to power? You may disagree with the people who are doing this now, but that doesn't mean that censorship is the correct way to solve the problem. It's not going to make any of them change their minds. > we either should adjust our sentiment or do something about it What are you implying?

wickedOne 8y ago
that already is the world we live in: i think every law that constitutes the right to free speech comes with limitations, so regardless there are certain rules you're expected to abide to. i'm not saying i disagree with anyone or that we should censor everything on the internet, i'm just saying that the internet is no longer that obscure thing where everything is rainbows and unicorns and has become of big corporate and political interest. so we _should_ excpect it to be like the newspaper, the television, the pamflets in your mailbox, etc. (re: "I cannot tell you how sad that is to write, because when I first saw the internet way back when, I hoped that it would help eliminate the attitudes that had fueled those horrible letters to me. I naïvely thought a lone man sending a reporter a missive of malevolence could not find such refuge on the wide-open internet, where his hate would be seen for what it was and denounced and exorcised"): lies and ways to steer you have become part of the game and it's up to you to see through that. at this point "do something about it", i think, has boiled down to "delete the internet".
- core-questions 8y ago
  > so we _should_ excpect it to be like the newspaper, the television, the pamflets in your mailbox, etc You want the internet to degrade to a centrally-controlled, one-way medium rather than enabling the kind of dialogue you and I are having right now? > lies and ways to steer you have become part of the game and it's up to you to see through that. This is arguably how it has always been. Never before have we had such great resources to see through things. Sometimes, what we end up seeing makes us uncomfortable, because the world isn't as nice as we would like for it to be. We can either accept truths and work to change them to be better, or accept pleasant fictions and outright lies to spare ourselves. Deleting the internet won't solve any of these issues. Well, it might help teen bullying some....
  - wickedOne 8y ago
    > You want the internet to degrade to a centrally-controlled, one-way medium rather than enabling the kind of dialogue you and I are having right now? quite the opposite actually. i think we should be skeptic about the things we read on the internet and steer away from the "it must be true if it's on wikipedia" mentality. so _do_ your research if it's concerning a sbject you feel passionate about and _do_ engage in discussions and stay open minded. most of us consume content rather than generating it and as the internet has become of such great interest to big companies and governments, parts of the (news) information we consume is biased and sometimes plain false, just like it is in the offline world. > Never before have we had such great resources to see through things absolutely true, but people have to be willing to see through things / be skeptic. i think (assumption) the largest part of the people using the internet do not question what they read and are not likely to do so in the future, hence my suggestion to "delete the internet"...