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Yes, my wildest dream is that they will release XCode with developer's tools (i.e. compilers), my laptop will be gone that exact second.

jaegerpicker 8y ago
ditto if I could use Xcode on the iPad Pro I'd almost never use my MacBook Pro. That may be why it hasn't happed yet as many of us probably feel that way.
- akhilcacharya 8y ago
  I like my mouse too much for this to be possible. Selecting/moving text with a finger is more annoying.
- wlesieutre 8y ago
  >That may be why it hasn't happed yet as many of us probably feel that way. I don't know about that; one of Apple's hallmarks is that they aren't afraid to compete with their own products. Some companies would have said "We can't make the tablet into a powerful computer, it would cut into notebook sales. Especially with the USB-C change, these iPads are a serious competitor to Apple's laptops for pretty much anyone except developers. In a lot of ways they're better. Just not for programming because the software is still too sandboxed. Here's hoping that Xcode shows up.
- jclardy 8y ago
  Same here. Especially with the new hardware from this year. Apple puts a ton of engineering into these new iOS devices, a little sad that the Mac lines don't really get the same treatment. I feel we are insanely close to this reality though. We have large enough displays now (even on the small one), external display support, external keyboard support and USB-C so we can actually plug in an iPhone into the iPad itself (Though this could have been skirted with the advent of wireless debugging support in Xcode. I'd still rather have the wire though.) Only thing I really want is some kind of trackpad or trackpad replacement. Or even just mouse support and I'll drop one in my bag.
- amiga-workbench 8y ago
  Xcode would need a shitload of polishing to approach the stability and UX standards of an iOS application. I desperately wish they would have a few release cycles of pure stabilisation work.
  - saagarjha 8y ago
    That was the whole point of Xcode 10…
    - jaegerpicker 8y ago
      10 has been much better for me.
miguelrochefort 8y ago
I was expecting that. Then I remembered the iPad doesn't support a mouse.
- unrealhoang 8y ago
  I will be good with a wireless trackpad.
qyv 8y ago
Why are people so eager to leap from computer OS's (MacOS or even Windows) to these walled gardens like iOS? I can't imagine developing software on iOS, because you know the deployment procedure will be straight to the app store. This ends the ability to create, distribute and install software yourself. Is this really what we want???
- moftz 8y ago
  Because their experience (and probably livelihood) rests with iOS apps. No one is buying an iPad hoping that some day they can write kernel patches on it. If you make your money off an ecosystem, you are going to buy hardware for that ecosystem.
- Xcodeista 8y ago
  Yes, it's what most people want. As a developer, I do not miss the days of trying to drive people to my website to find my app. If you were lucky you could get a mention on a well-known website or one of the many download aggregators, but it was hit and miss. The Mac had some very good ones, but with Windows, not one was big enough to be worth your time. It was a nightmare. Getting noticed on the app store is non-trivial, but at least your product is already in the place where users are going to find stuff. It's one less thing to have to worry about. As a user, I don't miss having to search the general web to find something for my computer, only to be misled by poor results in the search engine, malware download sites, software that would be the perfect solution but doesn't run on my OS, ads everywhere, etc. Now I have one place to go and everything on it works with my system. Sure it's not perfect, and discovery could be improved, but there's no malware that I've ever run into, and everything I actually need is there. Also, it's a false dichotomy between PC OSes and iOS. Both macOS and Windows have app stores that their users use.
  - tonyedgecombe 8y ago
    at least your product is already in the place where users are going to find stuff Along with a million other apps.
- marvinalone 8y ago

jaegerpicker 8y ago

ditto if I could use Xcode on the iPad Pro I'd almost never use my MacBook Pro. That may be why it hasn't happed yet as many of us probably feel that way.

akhilcacharya 8y ago
I like my mouse too much for this to be possible. Selecting/moving text with a finger is more annoying.
wlesieutre 8y ago
>That may be why it hasn't happed yet as many of us probably feel that way. I don't know about that; one of Apple's hallmarks is that they aren't afraid to compete with their own products. Some companies would have said "We can't make the tablet into a powerful computer, it would cut into notebook sales. Especially with the USB-C change, these iPads are a serious competitor to Apple's laptops for pretty much anyone except developers. In a lot of ways they're better. Just not for programming because the software is still too sandboxed. Here's hoping that Xcode shows up.
jclardy 8y ago
Same here. Especially with the new hardware from this year. Apple puts a ton of engineering into these new iOS devices, a little sad that the Mac lines don't really get the same treatment. I feel we are insanely close to this reality though. We have large enough displays now (even on the small one), external display support, external keyboard support and USB-C so we can actually plug in an iPhone into the iPad itself (Though this could have been skirted with the advent of wireless debugging support in Xcode. I'd still rather have the wire though.) Only thing I really want is some kind of trackpad or trackpad replacement. Or even just mouse support and I'll drop one in my bag.
amiga-workbench 8y ago
Xcode would need a shitload of polishing to approach the stability and UX standards of an iOS application. I desperately wish they would have a few release cycles of pure stabilisation work.
- saagarjha 8y ago
  That was the whole point of Xcode 10…
  - jaegerpicker 8y ago
    10 has been much better for me.

miguelrochefort 8y ago

I was expecting that. Then I remembered the iPad doesn't support a mouse.

unrealhoang 8y ago
I will be good with a wireless trackpad.

qyv 8y ago

Why are people so eager to leap from computer OS's (MacOS or even Windows) to these walled gardens like iOS? I can't imagine developing software on iOS, because you know the deployment procedure will be straight to the app store. This ends the ability to create, distribute and install software yourself. Is this really what we want???

moftz 8y ago
Because their experience (and probably livelihood) rests with iOS apps. No one is buying an iPad hoping that some day they can write kernel patches on it. If you make your money off an ecosystem, you are going to buy hardware for that ecosystem.
Xcodeista 8y ago
Yes, it's what most people want. As a developer, I do not miss the days of trying to drive people to my website to find my app. If you were lucky you could get a mention on a well-known website or one of the many download aggregators, but it was hit and miss. The Mac had some very good ones, but with Windows, not one was big enough to be worth your time. It was a nightmare. Getting noticed on the app store is non-trivial, but at least your product is already in the place where users are going to find stuff. It's one less thing to have to worry about. As a user, I don't miss having to search the general web to find something for my computer, only to be misled by poor results in the search engine, malware download sites, software that would be the perfect solution but doesn't run on my OS, ads everywhere, etc. Now I have one place to go and everything on it works with my system. Sure it's not perfect, and discovery could be improved, but there's no malware that I've ever run into, and everything I actually need is there. Also, it's a false dichotomy between PC OSes and iOS. Both macOS and Windows have app stores that their users use.
- tonyedgecombe 8y ago
  at least your product is already in the place where users are going to find stuff Along with a million other apps.
marvinalone 8y ago