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OK, I'll say it. That is a stupid statement. I've seen that "planet will be fine" line too many times. Here is the truth: the main purpose of that line is to hi

OK, I'll say it. That is a stupid statement. I've seen that "planet will be fine" line too many times. Here is the truth: the main purpose of that line is to hide the wrongdoing. The planet is not just a rock in space. It includes the environment and everything that is there. When we destroy that, we are destroying the planet itself.

hfourm 8y ago
Honestly though, even if it isn't a stupid statement, it doesn't change anything. The planet WILL be fine, the solar system, universe, existence.. Yea, in the big scheme of things it WILL be fine. Conservation is about conservation of the human species, and there is no reason we shouldn't talk about it like that. Honestly, more right wing / anti-environmentalists would probably respond better if they understood how dire the threat to humanity is.
SuddsMcDuff 8y ago
"the main purpose of that line is to hide the wrongdoing" I think by focusing in on that line you're missing the bigger picture. What I'm trying to say is that we're primarily a threat to ourselves, not to the 'planet'. I think people would be much more engaged if it weren't "save the planet" but rather "save the human race".
manfredo 8y ago
> The planet is not just a rock in space. It includes the environment and everything that is there. When we destroy that, we are destroying the planet itself. Except... not? Altering, or even completely destroying the biosphere is not nearly the same thing as destroying the planet. Mass extinction events have occurred in the past, in terms of history on a planetary scale the anthropecene's mass extinction is nothing new.
- birksherty 8y ago
  Except yes? Who cares about a planet without the biosphere? There are literally billions of such rocks. There is something different between Earth and other planet and that's what people are taking about destroying. Extinctions happened were natural, nobody could stop it. This time it's because of greed and selfishness. It could have been stopped but not and still going on even though we know it. Don't justify this time with before. Also we are not debating whether that happened before or not. Some (mostly american from what I've seen) people will take any excuse to justify it.
dragonwriter 8y ago
> The planet is not just a rock in space. It includes the environment and everything that is there. When we destroy that, we are destroying the planet itself. I include my hair, but if I shave my head I haven't destroyed myself. What is really going on is that “We’re killing the planet” is a hyperbolic way to express “We are destroying the things I personally value about the planet” or perhaps “We are making the planet unsuitable for ourselves”; trying to defend it as something else is not only usually wrong on its own terms, but missing the point of what people actually mean when they say it.
- birksherty 8y ago
  Another stupid argument. Your hair and environment are two completely different things. It's dishonest to make these kind of comparisons, but because you did I will too. Someone just by pure greed and money removes your eyes, rips away your skin, cuts your nose. Then he says stop complaining that you are destroyed, you are still alive, saying such thing is wrong.
prestonh 8y ago
It's always bothered me too, obviously when people say "we're killing the planet!" they refer to the biosphere, not the hunk of rock floating around in space.

hfourm 8y ago

Honestly though, even if it isn't a stupid statement, it doesn't change anything. The planet WILL be fine, the solar system, universe, existence.. Yea, in the big scheme of things it WILL be fine. Conservation is about conservation of the human species, and there is no reason we shouldn't talk about it like that. Honestly, more right wing / anti-environmentalists would probably respond better if they understood how dire the threat to humanity is.

SuddsMcDuff 8y ago

"the main purpose of that line is to hide the wrongdoing" I think by focusing in on that line you're missing the bigger picture. What I'm trying to say is that we're primarily a threat to ourselves, not to the 'planet'. I think people would be much more engaged if it weren't "save the planet" but rather "save the human race".

manfredo 8y ago

> The planet is not just a rock in space. It includes the environment and everything that is there. When we destroy that, we are destroying the planet itself. Except... not? Altering, or even completely destroying the biosphere is not nearly the same thing as destroying the planet. Mass extinction events have occurred in the past, in terms of history on a planetary scale the anthropecene's mass extinction is nothing new.

birksherty 8y ago
Except yes? Who cares about a planet without the biosphere? There are literally billions of such rocks. There is something different between Earth and other planet and that's what people are taking about destroying. Extinctions happened were natural, nobody could stop it. This time it's because of greed and selfishness. It could have been stopped but not and still going on even though we know it. Don't justify this time with before. Also we are not debating whether that happened before or not. Some (mostly american from what I've seen) people will take any excuse to justify it.

dragonwriter 8y ago

> The planet is not just a rock in space. It includes the environment and everything that is there. When we destroy that, we are destroying the planet itself. I include my hair, but if I shave my head I haven't destroyed myself. What is really going on is that “We’re killing the planet” is a hyperbolic way to express “We are destroying the things I personally value about the planet” or perhaps “We are making the planet unsuitable for ourselves”; trying to defend it as something else is not only usually wrong on its own terms, but missing the point of what people actually mean when they say it.

birksherty 8y ago
Another stupid argument. Your hair and environment are two completely different things. It's dishonest to make these kind of comparisons, but because you did I will too. Someone just by pure greed and money removes your eyes, rips away your skin, cuts your nose. Then he says stop complaining that you are destroyed, you are still alive, saying such thing is wrong.

prestonh 8y ago

It's always bothered me too, obviously when people say "we're killing the planet!" they refer to the biosphere, not the hunk of rock floating around in space.