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Communist China is fascist now? China is as fascist as the Soviet Union was.

wjn0 8y ago
Just because fascism and "communism" (as in, communism as implemented in China or the USSR) were at odds in the mid-20th century, doesn't mean they're incompatible.
all2 8y ago
I think that after a point communism and fascism are only different in name. Taken to extremes the outcome is the same; consolidation of power and wealth, suppression of opposition, and as near to absolute control as possible.
- friedman23 8y ago
  haha you have no idea how many people you are going to anger with your comment
  - all2 8y ago
    There are semantic differences, sure. The outcomes are horrifyingly the same. Lots of people die. Some 10 million in fascist Germany[0], some 60 million in Soviet Russia, more than 70 million in communist China, etc.[1] Though, I'm not sure how to treat "just let them starve". Is it murder if you have the means to feed them? Is it murder if you don't even try? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_...
    - friedman23 8y ago
      I wasn't arguing against you. I just know the statement you posted pisses off both fascists and communists which I'm completely fine with.
  - ekianjo 8y ago
    To be fair, they can start with different ideologies, but they end up very much the same: crushing individuals for the benefit of the all-powerful State. Does not matter if it's right or left, at the end of the day you get the following: - Abolition of private property - Abolition of civil liberties - Abolition of political liberties - Abolition of Free Press - Systematic repression, the reign of fear - Glorification of the Nation - Quasi-Nationalization of Means of Production (whether private enterprise still exist is irrelevant, as they have to prone allegiance to the State) - Mass murdering of political opposition and minorities Same thing happened in France during the French Revolution, and nobody called it Fascism or Communism at the time but the idea of oppressing individuals for an utopian State was already there.

wjn0 8y ago

Just because fascism and "communism" (as in, communism as implemented in China or the USSR) were at odds in the mid-20th century, doesn't mean they're incompatible.

all2 8y ago

I think that after a point communism and fascism are only different in name. Taken to extremes the outcome is the same; consolidation of power and wealth, suppression of opposition, and as near to absolute control as possible.

friedman23 8y ago
haha you have no idea how many people you are going to anger with your comment
- all2 8y ago
  There are semantic differences, sure. The outcomes are horrifyingly the same. Lots of people die. Some 10 million in fascist Germany[0], some 60 million in Soviet Russia, more than 70 million in communist China, etc.[1] Though, I'm not sure how to treat "just let them starve". Is it murder if you have the means to feed them? Is it murder if you don't even try? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_...
  - friedman23 8y ago
    I wasn't arguing against you. I just know the statement you posted pisses off both fascists and communists which I'm completely fine with.
- ekianjo 8y ago
  To be fair, they can start with different ideologies, but they end up very much the same: crushing individuals for the benefit of the all-powerful State. Does not matter if it's right or left, at the end of the day you get the following: - Abolition of private property - Abolition of civil liberties - Abolition of political liberties - Abolition of Free Press - Systematic repression, the reign of fear - Glorification of the Nation - Quasi-Nationalization of Means of Production (whether private enterprise still exist is irrelevant, as they have to prone allegiance to the State) - Mass murdering of political opposition and minorities Same thing happened in France during the French Revolution, and nobody called it Fascism or Communism at the time but the idea of oppressing individuals for an utopian State was already there.