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>the global rise of fascism This is only happening for an extremely loose and almost meaningless definition of fascism.
by ardfie 8y ago
>the global rise of fascism
This is only happening for an extremely loose and almost meaningless definition of fascism.
- rglover 8y agoNah, it's pretty legitimately taking root: https://twitter.com/Psythor/status/1056811593177227264 https://twitter.com/Psythor/status/1056811593177227264.
- ardfie 8y agoWhat is specifically fascist about this?
- malloryerik 8y agoIt's a slap in the face of any global cooperation and a yes-please to more nationalistic Volksmagie.
- guitarbill 8y agonot really. it's just authoritarian. people need to stop using fascistic when they mean authoritarian.
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- rglover 8y agoFascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy. > strong regimentation of society and of the economy This is exactly what China is in the process of implementing via their social/sesame credit system. Semantics aside, it's not good.
- guitarbill 8y agooh thanks, i never thought to look at the actual definition. except how useful is that definition really, and how is it different than say any other dictatorship? yes, ultranationalism, but is PRC ultranationalistic? sure, one china, but there's also loads of flags in america. you can argue PRC is more totalitarianism than just authoritarianism. but IMO, fascism is too vague to be useful without hindsight. for example, how is fascism meaningfully different than social nationalism? so please, don't just condescendingly throw out a cherry picked definition
- rglover 8y agoIt's not cherry picked. It's literally the first result in Google, from Wikipedia.
- rukittenme 8y agoTo me that screams communism rather than fascism.
- friedman23 8y agoCommunist China is fascist now? China is as fascist as the Soviet Union was.
- wjn0 8y agoJust because fascism and "communism" (as in, communism as implemented in China or the USSR) were at odds in the mid-20th century, doesn't mean they're incompatible.
- all2 8y agoI think that after a point communism and fascism are only different in name. Taken to extremes the outcome is the same; consolidation of power and wealth, suppression of opposition, and as near to absolute control as possible.
- friedman23 8y agohaha you have no idea how many people you are going to anger with your comment
- all2 8y agoThere are semantic differences, sure. The outcomes are horrifyingly the same. Lots of people die. Some 10 million in fascist Germany[0], some 60 million in Soviet Russia, more than 70 million in communist China, etc.[1] Though, I'm not sure how to treat "just let them starve". Is it murder if you have the means to feed them? Is it murder if you don't even try? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_...
- friedman23 8y agoI wasn't arguing against you. I just know the statement you posted pisses off both fascists and communists which I'm completely fine with.
- jacobush 8y agoVery Blade Runner.