> I feel the KCG are actually a step in the right direction in this regard; and since it doesn't alienate as much of the anti-CoC crowd, it seems foolish to bat

> I feel the KCG are actually a step in the right direction in this regard; and since it doesn't alienate as much of the anti-CoC crowd, it seems foolish to battle it. You may be right that I'm being harsh, at the same time, I don't see this the KGC as a neutral thing. It says "Here is the line", but sets that line very far from aspirational. If anything, it seems designed to address how people are to interpret his comments. We can (and need to) do better.