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We'll soon be cursing HTML5 for powering too much unnecessary animation on the web: ads, restaurant websites, etc. Adobe's tools will make it so easy, that peop

by zhyder 16y ago

We'll soon be cursing HTML5 for powering too much unnecessary animation on the web: ads, restaurant websites, etc. Adobe's tools will make it so easy, that people are bound to abuse their power. That abuse of power has been the main problem with Flash, on Windows at least (Mac+Linux have relatively poor implementations of the player).

jasonlotito 16y ago
I hope this isn't something anyone is just now realising. Though, I shouldn't be surprised. I always wonder why people hated on Flash ads so much and supported HTML5... when the truth was, HTML5 and tech would allow companies to do essentially the same thing. Except now instead of just disabling Flash, you'd have to disable... what? Basically, the benefit of HTML5 and associated technologies (seriously, that's getting annoying fast, maybe I should just rename it Superior HTML5 and Integrated Technologies, and shorten that to... nm) is simple that you'll be able to run "Flash like things" without a plug-in. Everything Flash can do, browsers will be able to do by default. Yay. Net result? You don't need a plug-in. Everything else remains.
- cryptoz 16y ago
  Net result? The web is controlled by open standards and organizations with multiple implementations of the standard. Rather than the current situation, which is total SHIT: a single company in California - Adobe - controls 99% of the media online. That's bad news. Flash is constantly full of security holes that only Adobe can fix. Flash's performance cross-platform is abysmal since nobody can fix it but them and they don't care. Fuck Flash, long live open technologies! And just call it HTML5: everyone knows you're including the new JavaScript APIs when you say that. HTML5 allows us to build rich applications for the web that will run on virtually every single device made (except for Microsoft devices this year, next year will change). Don't bash tech you don't understand the benefits of.
  - jasonlotito 16y ago
    > That's bad news... Of course it is. > HTML5 allows us to build rich application Yes, I know. I love HTML5. > Don't bash tech you don't understand the benefits of. I wasn't bashing HTML5. I think you completely misunderstood my comment. I'm all for open standards. I never suggested otherwise.
- cobralibre 16y ago
  Except now instead of just disabling Flash, you'd have to disable... what? This is an understandable concern, but at the risk of stating the obvious, HTML5 is HTML. Any HTML5 elements that irk you are available for your inspection and manipulation through the DOM. This means that sites that abuse HTML5 can be easily "patched" with Greasemonkey scripts, Safari extensions, Chrome extensions, etc.
  - jasonlotito 16y ago
    Oh, I realize that. =) Of course, I find it funny that we'll have to install plug-ins to do what not installing a plug-in accomplished before.
- ludwigvan 16y ago
  Agreed. The only good thing about Flash is that it is easy to block.

by zhyder 16y ago

jasonlotito 16y ago

I hope this isn't something anyone is just now realising. Though, I shouldn't be surprised. I always wonder why people hated on Flash ads so much and supported HTML5... when the truth was, HTML5 and tech would allow companies to do essentially the same thing. Except now instead of just disabling Flash, you'd have to disable... what? Basically, the benefit of HTML5 and associated technologies (seriously, that's getting annoying fast, maybe I should just rename it Superior HTML5 and Integrated Technologies, and shorten that to... nm) is simple that you'll be able to run "Flash like things" without a plug-in. Everything Flash can do, browsers will be able to do by default. Yay. Net result? You don't need a plug-in. Everything else remains.

cryptoz 16y ago
Net result? The web is controlled by open standards and organizations with multiple implementations of the standard. Rather than the current situation, which is total SHIT: a single company in California - Adobe - controls 99% of the media online. That's bad news. Flash is constantly full of security holes that only Adobe can fix. Flash's performance cross-platform is abysmal since nobody can fix it but them and they don't care. Fuck Flash, long live open technologies! And just call it HTML5: everyone knows you're including the new JavaScript APIs when you say that. HTML5 allows us to build rich applications for the web that will run on virtually every single device made (except for Microsoft devices this year, next year will change). Don't bash tech you don't understand the benefits of.
- jasonlotito 16y ago
  > That's bad news... Of course it is. > HTML5 allows us to build rich application Yes, I know. I love HTML5. > Don't bash tech you don't understand the benefits of. I wasn't bashing HTML5. I think you completely misunderstood my comment. I'm all for open standards. I never suggested otherwise.
cobralibre 16y ago
Except now instead of just disabling Flash, you'd have to disable... what? This is an understandable concern, but at the risk of stating the obvious, HTML5 is HTML. Any HTML5 elements that irk you are available for your inspection and manipulation through the DOM. This means that sites that abuse HTML5 can be easily "patched" with Greasemonkey scripts, Safari extensions, Chrome extensions, etc.
- jasonlotito 16y ago
  Oh, I realize that. =) Of course, I find it funny that we'll have to install plug-ins to do what not installing a plug-in accomplished before.
ludwigvan 16y ago
Agreed. The only good thing about Flash is that it is easy to block.